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Re:Edit Warring

Why do I have to go to the talk page? Why is it edit warring just for me? You can't edit war alone, so I'm guilty of it, you are just as well. You disagree with me. YOU should take it to the talk page, in that case, not just undo my edits with highly debatable reasons/reasons you can't even prove.Werebereus - ಠ_ಠ 20:34, October 6, 2016 (UTC)

First off, you are not the only who has ever been warned about edit warring so don't play the "singled out" game, because it doesn't fly with me. And yes you do have to go to the talk page, its stated so in the rules. Actually edit warring can be done alone if you are the only one putting back edits that are clearly speculation and therefor should be removed by any editor and more than one editor removed your edits. Also as the person protesting or having the issue, you should be the one trying to explain why your edits are valid. Our reasons for reverting your edits were not debatable in the least, you claimed Predaliens are praetorians with no proof that its universal ergo it was fair game for removal. Also you seemed to be taking game mechanics too seriously, game mechanics are not sources of information. Now if you think the rules on this wiki doesn't apply to you then you are sorely mistaken. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 14:07, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
Werebereus, I suggest you look here for clarification of exactly why what you were doing is against policy and why you have been warned over it.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 12:26, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

???

Do you have some sort of issue with me? If feels like you do. Almost every edit I make you sniff behind, and you always have something to say even if it's perfectly reasonable and sourced. A lot of the edits I've been making recently, such as on the Crusher, Praetorian Facehugger, and Trans/Purebreed categories were simply me rewording what was already written and sourcing them or simply, in the case of Categories, making them more presentable. They were already there, untouched, then I edit them and only then do you and Leigh suddenly take issue with it all, talk about deletions, and generally cause an unneeded fuss. It's micromanaging and honestly I'm sick of it.

I can't even write a simple a sentence without one of you going behind me with some nonsense about "grammar". Scar's personality section? Might've had some typos, but it was perfectly fine. Even small scale: "even those specially trained in dealing with facehuggers" is just as good as "experienced in dealing with facehuggers" (which is wrong by the way. It has nothing to do with "experience". Some Preds are specially trained in dealing with facehuggers and others are not: that's what the game said, that's what I said, and we both meant it.Werebereus - ಠ_ಠ 20:45, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

Actually you created those categories, I checked the log. There is nothing wrong with tweaking or improving upon another's work, wikis are edited merciless for the greater good, nothing you or I can do about it. Training gives experience ergo there was no problem, at the end of the day the page's quality is what matters, not you nor me or Leigh, if a page can be improved by tweaking or even outright removing sentences then it shall be done. Also you really haven't cited much sources that much. No one is faulting you for your grammar, Leigh is simply saying why he is tweaking the page i.e improving the grammar of the information you were putting in. Instead you're taking that quite personally. The wiki will only be taken seriously if the pages are of good quality with reliable and sourced information. I have long considered deleting the transbreed category because it was unneeded, merely a game mechanic. The only thing you did with your categorizing (which was highly inaccurate by the way) was remind me of it. The option to discuss it is open for now, so go to the talk page if you object. And to actually answer your question, no I don't have a problem with. I don't take anything personally or feel anger towards anyone here. It would be a detriment if I did. A good wiki editor is unbiased and emotionally stable, maybe you should try being like that instead of confrontational because it won't get you anywhere. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 22:59, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
Good for you. Point is, they weren't a problem at that time, now as soon as I edit, they are. Back then, Cadmium was in charge I remember. He wasn't so nitpicky and fussy about everything, but you two are something else. Training and experience don't go hand in hand. You can have training without actually experiencing it, so no it's not the same thing. And the categorizing wasn't "highly inaccurate" it was pulled straight from the game. Just look for yourself. The game CATEGORIZES them and I only mirrored what was there, but I digress.
I asked a simply question based off of what I was interpreting. Like I said, you both micromanage and seem to do it to me more than anyone. I won't apologize to reacting for being singled out, if not by you then by Leigh. I'm a fine wiki editor, I've improved several of these pages and had to deal with you and Leigh haranguing me in the process, so excuse me for being a bit annoyed by it.Werebereus - ಠ_ಠ 23:25, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
Yes they were, I even questioned the categories back when the other admins were with me. Being nitpicky and fussy is what people should be when trying to improve a wiki.
Actually you can't because everything one does is an experince in itself. The categories are inaccurate to the franchise as a whole, AVP-R contradicts, the shadow trilogy contradicts it, game mechanics does not equal lore. You are not being singled out, anyone else on this wiki doing this would be treated the same but you are the only one doing it.
A fine editor? you are temperamental, confrontational and aggressive, not the best qualities of a "fine" editor but we don't discriminate, you have every right to be here as anyone else so long as you follow the rules. We will not stand for errors in pages, so yes you will have your edits be tweaked, improved or outright removed if they are groundless as would I and anyone else who made edits that needed tweaking. This is what happens on wikis, if anyone puts something in with poor grammar, then it is the duty of someone else to improve it and it has happened to me a lot since I am not the best at grammar myself, I don't begrudge it, I am grateful when someone improves my edits and makes the page better for it. You're lucky, on some wikis editors would outright delete that rather than salvage it. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 23:41, October 23, 2016 (UTC)
Don't wanna cut in, but to answer a few points specifically:
Werebus, you specifically say on your profile - "I'm prone to getting in a fight, so watch it and if you're a moderator, for both our sanities don't interact with me unless you HAVE to. I have a bad history with mods..." You really expect to write things like that and have us not keep an eye on you?
As for the edits I've been making lately, it was mostly to fix spelling mistakes, correct poor grammar and generally tighten up the wording a bit. If you have a problem with me tying to smarten up things like that on the Wiki, then you clearly have no interest in improving Xenopedia.
Lastly, perhaps the categories weren't an issue for me before because I wasn't aware they existed? This is a fairly large wiki (3,477 pages and counting). I can't trawl every single article to check it out. Your editing them recently has brought them to my attention. I'm sure there are other pages on here I take issue with that I haven't come across yet.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:00, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Archiving

Have you ever considered archiving (removing some of the content to another page) your talk page? It's getting pretty vast now, can take a while to get to the bit you want to reply to :) --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 20:18, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

Oh I know and I want to archive...I just can't remember how lol. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:50, October 24, 2016 (UTC)

 :) Just create a new page with the title "User talk:The Cruentus/Archive" (the colon and slash are important) and copy over some of the older conversations. Then you can delete them from your actual talk page to free up space, but they'll still be stored in the archive for the record. You'd probably also want to put a link to the archive somewhere on your talk page so you can get there easily in the future, should you need to go back and look something up.
To be honest, I could do it for you if you want.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 21:06, October 24, 2016 (UTC)
Sure you go ahead...though I must learn to join the 21st century soon. lol --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 21:10, October 24, 2016 (UTC)
Haha well if I get it set up then all you'd have to do in the future is move stuff over to the archive when your talk page starts getting full again. I'm a bit busy today but I'll get it done this week.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 09:19, October 25, 2016 (UTC)
As I'm sure you can see, I've archived most of the old content on your talk page. I've put a link to the archive in the bottom right corner of the header box at the top, so you can find it easily. I hope that's OK, let me know if there's any problems!--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 14:35, October 26, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Leigh --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 22:40, November 9, 2016 (UTC)

Game canon

Just a quick little question,is AVP: Evolution cannonCarved PredAlien (talk) (Contribs) 22:36, November 9, 2016 (UTC)Carved PredAlien 

The only games are canon for certain are Alien:Isolation and possibly A:CM though due to extreme backlash, fox likely ignores Colonial Marines but we don't know that for certain. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 22:40, November 9, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox Caste

Hey mate, got a quick question for you. Should the Caste Infobox be transferred to all existing Xeno pages or only to specific Xenomorph pages? The only page that has the new Infobox, to my knowledge, is the Facehugger page. Please reply. Deathblade 100 (talk) (Contribs) 22:31, November 12, 2016 (UTC)

I will be working on all species such as chestburster and drone etc. Too drunk to work on it right now lol but yes, its going to be for all or most of the xeno species pages --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:27, November 13, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. Deathblade 100 (talk) (Contribs) 02:04, November 13, 2016 (UTC)
I created that infobox just the other day, and yes, I intend for it to be used on all appropriate Xenomorph pages, I just want to make sure it's right before I add it to a whole list of pages :) --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 13:46, November 13, 2016 (UTC)


Link

Hello there i tried to place a link to the USCMC page but got an error. Can you help me.

Please sign your posts, what link? you only added bullet points I believe --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 17:19, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

Comic Page Titles

Something that came up in conversation with HadAnd0426 that's been on my mind for ages, I thought I'd throw it your way as well — the fact the early Aliens and Predator comic series have been renamed so many times (and had such generic titles to start with) is a recurring pain in my ass. I've never quite been sure if the approach we take on the Wiki currently (always using the original publication title, with the date in brackets to differentiate them where necessary) is better than the possible alternatives (such as using the most recently published title, for example).

Going with the original titles would obviously help future-proof the wiki, because no matter how many times a given comic might be renamed in the future, our article will always be accurate with the original title (the main reason I went with that approach in the first place). But as there are no less than four separate comics originally titled Aliens, and two called Predator, that can get pretty confusing. On the other hand, using the most recent reprint title would make it far easier to differentiate between comics, because the reprints all have distinct subtitles, but obviously it's not the title originally used and we'd need to stay on top of any renamed editions that might be released in the future. Another factor to consider is the fact that the versions currently available in print use the more recent titles, not the originals.

If you have any thoughts on all of this I'd be interested to hear them.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 20:06, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

I see your issue, well tell you what Leigh, I would be fine with this either way but practicality would be more useful to the wiki but we need a way to make sure those searching for the newer titles to get directed to the relevant page. Sometimes you can get rapid redirects where you search for something that is known by another title and will load the page without new of a redirect page. Also sorry for the late reply, been a bit busy. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 00:02, November 27, 2016 (UTC)
Way ahead of you there, there are already redirects in place for every alternate title I've ever come across :) I just thought it might make things neater simply having a page called "Aliens: Outbreak" rather than "Aliens (1988 comic series)". But at the same time I can see cases where using the most recent title would be less helpful — for instance, Aliens: Berserker is now called Frenzy, yet the novel adaptation is still called Berserker. To be honest, if you have no strong feelings on it either way I'll leave things as they are for now, pending some more thinking on it.
And no worries about the delay!--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:30, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

Blocked Werebus

Just so you're aware, I've just handed Werebereus a temporary block. He disagreed with a change I made to several character pages, but rather than bring it up in discussion or change the thing he disagreed with, he wholesale reverted all the work I have put in over the last few days adding references, improving layout and making other corrections to those pages.

Frankly I find this unacceptable. The referencing alone is an unquestionable improvement to the pages and there is no justification for deleting it all simply because he has issue with something else. In light of his general behaviour on here, I've blocked him for a month and left him a message on his talk page.

Let me know if you have an issue with this.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 11:00, December 9, 2016 (UTC)

I agree, sources are extremely important to a wiki, removing them is a big no no and he has had plenty of warnings, perhaps too many. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 15:01, December 9, 2016 (UTC)

Comics

Yes, I get that in AVP Aliens and Predators co-exist (duh) but these comics are  clearly set in the Alien universe right? Aliens F&S for example expands on Hadley's Hope. So what is this? New AVP universe canon or is Fire and Stone part of the Alien universe and Predators have also be confirmed to be a part of it? HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 12:46, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

The Fire and Stone series is not seperate individual stories set in different universe, its just about different events and eventually reach a point together, it is just one long story. Think like the avp games, namely monoliths avp 2 and the 2010 one. You play as three different characters with their own story but its a piece of a larger puzzle and the events come together and influence each other i.e the Six campaign is what spawns the Predalien for Dark to fight in is campaign. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 12:55, January 6, 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I get that. My question being that the Fire and Stone comics are "canon". Canon to what? HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 13:00, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
It speaks for itself, it is canon as opposed to non-canon. It directly follows on from prometheus' ending and seems to be a part of the main continuity. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:40, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
You're still not answering my question. Do Predators now officially co-exist with Aliens within the Alien universe? HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 17:08, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
I did answer your question, its avp what do you think? Personally  I have no true idea if there is actually three individual franchises or not, but if there was I doubt Ridley or Neil would want Predators in it, and vice versa for the Predator side but in the AVP Universe which is canon, they do co-exist especially if the shadow and rage trilogy are canon. Think of it as a tree with different branches but all references the same root. You can blame fox for muddleness due to their lack of comments and clarification. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 19:24, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
But if this was AVP and Fire and Stone is a canonical sequel to Prometheus (which is part of the Alien franchise) then surely that means Predators do exist within the Alien universe? Jesus, Fox really needs to sort this out, because this is far too complicated than it has to be. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 19:35, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
Indeed, it is my friend, I often get annoyed from it all, from Fox's  POV, its all one big franchise, all is mixed together but from Ridley Scott's pov, AVP may as well not exist at all. Fire and Stone/life and death is an AVP comic and it is simply referencing a stories set in the Alien side of things, which AVP had done before. The movies with Charles Weyland is all about referencing the Alien franchise. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 19:56, January 8, 2017 (UTC) 

Aliens Magazine Article

Did you get my email?--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:31, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Yep, I got. Thank you my friend. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:08, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Engineer History.

Apologies for not consulting. The history section feels very bloated, basically jotting down every single appearance of an Engineer. Meaning Fire and Stone and Life and Death, and Apocalypse also needs to be filled in in that section which is even MORE info. We have seperate pages for that kind of stuff. I think we should keep the page short and sweet. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 21:24, February 20, 2017 (UTC)

I don't disagree but major page changes do need discussions :)  I would say a history section is necessary as there is relevant info about the Engineer's past but as you said, it may be bloated and may need a good trim or even removal. I would like a second opinion on this as well, lets wait for Leigh. At the very least we need to see if the information is revisable before being deleted. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 21:46, February 20, 2017 (UTC)
I haven't ever really got into the Engineer page like I have the Alien and Predator ones, so if you think it needs cleaning up you're probably a better judge than me. But like Cruentus says, unless there's an obvious reason to cut sections wholesale like that (e.g. they're factually inaccurate or pure speculation) then it's best to bring it up in discussion somewhere beforehand.
Having said that, now that Engineers are appearing in more and more stories, a comprehensive history section probably is a little over-the-top. Still, it would be worth at least mentioning that human interaction with them is currently largely focused on the Calpamos system. As a rule, the species page should be general rather than detailed in that regard.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 11:43, February 21, 2017 (UTC)
So you propose a trim then? --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:40, February 21, 2017 (UTC)
Sure. To be honest the page in general could do with a decent clean-up. A lot of it breaks the in-universe rule and it could probably be better organised.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 09:35, February 22, 2017 (UTC)
Then I have no objection, it just needed to be discussed first. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 12:13, February 22, 2017 (UTC)

AVP Prey Roth and Jamie

I've never read AVP Prey but if  two characters being gay were "downplayed" in the comic does that mean it was even suggested that they were a couple? Plus, to omit something means to completley exclude it which completly dispells the point in that trivia. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 19:42, February 23, 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't dispel it at all, in the novel, they are married and it said so in plain english, unfortunately and likely due to discrimination, the same cannot be said in its other adaption. As in the comic version, it is either downplayed/omitted. The point still stands in that Jill and Chris are not the first LGBT married couple. The trivia is quite clear on this. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 21:42, February 23, 2017 (UTC)

Comma Guy

Our friend comma guy is back — he seems to have created two separate accounts to do his work, Megaman96 and Matthew Sharp. You blocked him before when he was unregistered, right? I assume you'll want to do the same again. He's also been at the unmade Alien3 script pages again, so I'm gonna temporarily lock them to stop him doing any more damage there.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:17, March 10, 2017 (UTC)

I permanently banned them all, it is clear that he is here only to cause trouble so instant block if you see another profile, in the meantime contact central or the task force about it. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:44, March 11, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that. As usual I've been away over the weekend. If he keeps creating accounts then yes, one of us should contact Wikia central and have them deal with it.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:34, March 12, 2017 (UTC)
No problem Leigh. To be fair, I don't think it's wise to wait for further disruption, best contact them and the task force because you never know, this user may be disrupting other wikis. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:~3, March 12, 2017 (UTC)

Torrens

Hey buddy,

The Drone on the Torrens is deceased. So stop changing it, OK? 97.126.35.161 03:22, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

Excuse me "buddy" but I haven't been changing it, I am one of the users trying to keep its status as deceased. So get your facts right. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 10:06, April 16, 2017 (UTC)
Also you just got yourself blocked for your recent actions, congrats. See where that behavior gets you? --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 21:48, April 16, 2017 (UTC)
Hey Cruentus, I am so sorry you had to deal with that jerk. If he wants to make the "Unknown" edit, he can start his own Wiki. Anyhow, do you know how long a ban will last? I have several bad "clients" who won't stop spamming me. 
Clarify. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 23:57, April 16, 2017 (UTC)
They are deleting my recent contributions and I believe the fellow you just banned may have been one of the ones sending me spam E-Mail. How long will a ban last? I don't want to have to hear from these solicitors on our Wiki again. This is why I am considering appealing for a ban.

User 97.126.35.161

Hello Cruentus,

I am PraetorianXeno, and I wanted to ask you a favor. It has come to my attention that one of the users you've recently banned, user 97.126.35.161, is responsible for making threats towards my account and my security through the use of an online Trojan Horse. This individual has threatened my bank account, my house, among other personal aspects, and I have recently gotten the police involved. I want you to know that this is no joke: the police are telling me to ask you to unblock this person's account so further investigation can be done on their whereabouts. Please do not take this as a joke, for it is far from it. PraetorianXeno (talk) (Contribs) 02:30, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Please sign your posts. You are still not making much sense, there is no history of "him" deleting your contributions or messaging "you" on here and a ban on here will not stop "him" on from being active on another wiki. Also emails is nothing to do with wiki, we can't stop someone emailing you, that is on you to do. Also what do you mean by clients and solictors? This is a wiki, not a court.
Also we don't get involved in problems of a user's personal life so no, the account will not be unblocked and yes I do consider this to be a load of crap, I am not stupid. If the police wanted someone unblocked they would come to me themselves or central, also if they are trying to find "his" whereabouts, then "you" should not be posting such plans for the public to see. Also unblocking a wiki anon account does not do anything other than unblocking, ip address is still visible plus a blocked wiki account does not affect their account elsewhere, just the site they are blocked on. Now I am going to block you for undermining your previous block, yes I know it is you, I have been on to you since you popped up randomly after I blocked your unreg account. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:02, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Profile Page

Hello Cruentus. I am new around here and I wanted to know how exactly to change my profile pic. Any suggestions? Thanks! XenoJelly357 (talk) (Contribs) 00:32, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

Hello

I am just letting you know that I'm new and I'll probably pop up frequently here and I didn't want to be a stranger

Love, Dark Magic, and Insanity... Morriganna Ravenhill. (talk) (Contribs) 01:16, May 6, 2017 (UTC)


Regarding the "good faith" edit

Given comments made by Ridley Scott in interviews  (in which he outright states that David created the Xenomorphs) and promotional materials leading up to Alien: Covenant, the version of the Xenomorph depicted in that film seems intended to be the first canonical appearance of the species, with the film detailing their creation at the hands of David-8. Also, Scott has previously stated that people who think the Engineers created the Xenomorphs are wrong, which tosses that origin story out; and Scott deliberately decanonized the Alien vs. Predator series with Prometheus, which removes the Yautja.

Regarding Xenomorph Prime and the majority of the pre-2012 material (like the Dark Horse comics) not being canon anymore, in the runup to the publication of the Out of the Shadows trilogy, one of the authors - I believe it was either Tim Lebbon or Christopher Golden - mentioned that FOX was essentially pulling a Star Wars and jettisoning the old expanded universe in favour of a new streamlined version with Prometheus as the starting point. Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 09:45, May 18, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Arawn 999. Yeah I have seen that interview and it is pretty damning and like I said, it is heavily leaning towards David being the creator of Xeno XX121 but in that interview Ridley says "him" not "them" as if he was talking about the Covenant Xenomorph and not necessarily all the Xenomorphs we know i.e the derelict batch, I know it is kind of grasping and its only my interpretation (and hope) of the interview. The current popular theory (and hope) amongst fans is that David merely recreated what the Engineer's already made thus he is not the actual creator but its not leaning that way. Evidence for David only recreating th Xeno is the mural in prometheus which shows Xeno like creatures and that installation was at least 2,000 years old, also there is other sources such as Out of the shadows which depict Xenos as ancient (which was canon but as a book, it can be overwritten by a movie if it contradicts it)
You are indeed correct in that Fox reset the EU canon so that only Fire and Stone, Life and Death, Defiance and Alien Isolation both game and comic are canon (or were canon, Covenant seems to messing with the new continuity as well as the old0. Not sure on the status of the Shadow and Rage trilogy as Covenant would seem to contradict them.
Tell you what, create a discussion in the Xenomorph XX121 talk page and have a discussion with Leigh as unlike me, he has seen the movie and so can provide better answers. Fact is we may have to have you reinsert the info anyway at somepoint but we need sources and we need to make sure whether this is concrete and not just idle words from Ridley, I have heard he contradicted himself a few times, in the meantime, discuss this on the talk page and try and reach a consensus. Concerning the homeworld, I changed that because Origai 6 is not the planet they land on but the original destination that they were supposed to be going to. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:56, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
Done: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Xenomorph_XX121_(Alien)#Alien:_Covenant_-_revelations_and_retcons_regarding_the_Xenomorphs_and_their_origins Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 13:15, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
To throw in my thoughts, Ridley says a lot of things in interviews. Remember when he was adamant the Prometheus sequels would have less to do with the Alien and focus exclusively the Engineers? Look how that turned out. The film itself isn't really definitive on whether David literally created the Alien, or whether he simply recreated it from Engineer files. I've been meaning to add something about David possibly being the originator of the species, but I've been really busy the last couple of weeks!--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 14:25, May 18, 2017 (UTC)

​Has Alien: Covenant messed up the Xenomorph life cycle like AVP?

I haven't seen Covenant yet and probably won't untill it's out on blu-ray but I've heard that the life cycle is changed again. Now I believe the Xenomorphs in Covenate are the first of their kind so is it likely by the events of Alien 1 the Xenomorphs have evolved and that's why it takes an hour for the chestbuster to burst out?Teen Titans Forever! (talk) (Contribs) 12:52, May 18, 2017 (UTC)

Spoiler alert obviously but it is ridiculously fast, on par with AVP. Worse still is what happened to one of the characters, he gets attacked by a facehugger but it is removed (which should actually be impossible) and despite that, he is still infected which begs the question why do facehuggers have those air sacs? why keep a host comatose for hours to up to a day when it only needs seconds to implant the embryo? The differecences between the versions is mostly cosmetic so I can't see how being "evolved" = slower gestation as if anything, a faster gestation would be superior, though clearly implausible. So short answer, yes. It messed the life-cyle up sadly. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:04, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
Gestation speed - which has always been inconsistant - aside, wouldn't it be possible that the second crew member was facehugged offscreen? Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 13:16, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
No. SPOILER: We see him get attacked, but the Facehugger is cut off immediately, before it can even knock him unconscious. Yet somehow a Chestburster still comes out of him later on.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 14:27, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
Going by a summaries I've read, I was under the impression that another Facehugger got him off-screen. Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 15:03, May 18, 2017 (UTC)
Wouldn't really be possible. As soon as he's freed he immediately runs out of there, far away from the Eggs.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 09:22, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
It's possible that the Facehugger managed to impregnate him in the brief time it managed to latch onto him. Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 19:39, May 20, 2017 (UTC)
To be fair. As we already know, the creatures in this film are clearly early prototype versions of the real deal, so it's fair to say that their biology may function differently. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 00:19, May 21, 2017 (UTC)
Arawn, that is precisely the problem, it did do that and it should not have been capable of it. In Aliens, Bishop talks about how Marachuk had the Facehugger removed before it could implant the embryo, there are two facehuggers so twice it happened that way. Marachuk was also discovered comatose with the facehugger on, meaning it could have been on him for minutes or hours but certainly more than a few seconds.
Hadand, we don't know that it is clearly an early prototype, only that these versions are different.--PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 19:27, May 22, 2017 (UTC)
"It's possible that the Facehugger managed to impregnate him in the brief time it managed to latch onto him."

That's obviously what is supposed to have happened in the film. My gripe is it comes across as silly. You get touched for the briefest second and you still have an Alien inside you. Considering it took around 24 hours for Kane to be impregnated, suddenly having it happen instantaneously seems a little daft.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 13:43, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

Fair enough, though in regard to Chestburster gestation speed I don't think we're told how much time passes between the temple battle and the fight onboard the Covenant. Personally, I was under the impression that at least a few hours had passed. Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 15:06, May 24, 2017 (UTC)
Sure, but the Facehugger is sat on to Kane's face for almost an entire day before it puts a Chestburster in there. In Covenant it barely touches Lope. If it can do it so quickly, why bother hanging on to Kane for so long?--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 20:53, May 24, 2017 (UTC)
Maybe the Facehugger went into emergancy overload. I guess it only attaches to the host so long to ensure the safe passage of the embyro to the host. If the hugger realized it was being torn off I guess it just fassened the progress with more risk to the embryo's safety. Desperate times calls for desperate measures. That's pretty much the only thing I can think of. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 21:03, May 24, 2017 (UTC)
I'm sure there are possible explanations, it's just something I fundamentally dislike. It moves the Alien from being a sort of believable creature based on real-life insect behaviour to a clichéd super monster than can instantaneously infect people at the slightest touch.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 08:17, May 25, 2017 (UTC)

NEW DESIGN

Hi there! I'm Azending and I was wondering if I could have permission to give this wiki a make over! After I do the make over you can deny my admin access.

I have designed many wikis and I would love to design this one because I love the Alien franchise. My work: halsey.wikia.com | arianagrande.wikia.com | elliegoulding.wikia.com | fifthharmony.wikia.com | tovelo.wikia.com | melanie-martinez.wikia.com & many more

So what I would like is temporary admin access to be able to design this wiki! Thanks a lot and I hope you consider my offer! Have a good day! =) --Azending (talk) (Contribs) 06:32, May 26, 2017 (UTC)

So is it ok?

Hi, I would like a reply from you about the message above. Thanks! --Azending (talk) (Contribs) 13:10, May 27, 2017 (UTC)

In fairness and no offense intended, but this sounds suspicious, as it is odd for someone to just come to a wiki and ask for admin rights, even if temporary but I am over-cautious by nature. What is it that you have in mind?
I totally understand but you see that's what I usually do with wikis. I ask the admin out of nowhere if I could design their wiki's because I design when I feel like it! I'm planning on giving this wiki a much more modern look! Here are examples of my randomly asking people for their permission to revamp wikis: http://halsey.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:2969#23, http://arianagrande.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:8842, http://fifthharmony.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:12485 My Randomness: http://arianagrande.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:18301, http://melanie-martinez.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:12993 It's what I do basically. It's weird but whenever I'm obsessed with something I just want to design something to cure my obsession lol. I really hope you would say 'yes'! =) --Azending (talk) (Contribs) 14:14, May 27, 2017 (UTC)
I see, however this wiki isn't about a person, but a franchise. I will converse with my fellow admin about it, maybe we can get you a test page so that you can show us what you have in mind :) --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 14:24, May 27, 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely! Thank you for considering my offer. --Azending (talk) (Contribs) 02:20, May 28, 2017 (UTC)

Top 10s?

Noticed for a while that you deleted all the top 10 pages....Just wanted to know why. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 16:38, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

I didn't. Wikia has been updated so something must have happened. Where was the top 10?
Wait, do you mean this: Favorite Marine character/toplist-item-55c9fc1bdc06b. This was deleted in 2015 and it was likely because it was in an article instead of a blog. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:52, June 26, 2017 (UTC)
I just checked the logs, I did indeed delete two top 10 pages, favorite game and predator weapon. I believe it was because it was in an article instead og a blog. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:55, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

Apologies and reason for the earlier issue

The editing section is screwed for me. I was asking Leigh for help regarding this, and I forgot to add a signature, so I went back to edit it in. This is how the editing section subsequently appeared: http://imgur.com/f4rPoTQ (this is the image I was trying to show Leigh prior to the incident).

So, after finding my post on his talk page and adding my signature in, I hit publish. Then, his talk page got screwed up and such... So, apologies for that, but I'm not sure how to fix this issue. It only appears if I go back to fix up a previous edit, for example... AnonymousOutlast (talk) (Contribs) 14:18, July 3, 2017 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough, I reverted your mistake so don't worry about that. Use the preview button before publishing any future edits to make sure its not glitched. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 14:24, July 3, 2017 (UTC)

HALP

hello The Cruentus. i am telling you something that has been going on on other wikis. an anonymous or fake user has been ctreating pages titled asdfmovie which have had the text "asdfmovie is funny lol" and i wanted to let you know to be aware as it is normally me who finds out so i wanted to tell an admin. thanks, 

-MrXenomorphTheorist

Please sign your post correctly, its four ~.
Appreciate the heads up and I will of course be aware but unless this member makes the mistake of disrupting this wiki, there is nothing I can do short of referring you to community central or the VSTF, who deal with cross-wiki vandilism. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:34, July 13, 2017 (UTC)

Input

Would you mind taking a look at this suggestion? I'm in two minds, wondered if you had an opinion on it.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 12:06, July 20, 2017 (UTC)

Done. :) --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 12:17, July 20, 2017 (UTC)


Accounts

If i make a seperate accout for theorys, is there any specific guidlines/policys i should pay special attentio n to? thanks, 

MrXenomorphTheorist.

Don't make seperate accounts, you only need one profile on wikis. Mulitple accounts is usually against the rules. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:03, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Chemical page

What do you mean "Keep it in universe"? I'd like to see you properly argue against the edits I made to the Black liquid article, rather than just undoing it all. Since when does the pathogen cause the victim to birth a Deacon or Neomorph? We see from Prometheus that a parasite comes from the black liquid victim and the "morph" creature is the second stage of the cycle, after the parasite (trilobite, spore etc.) infects a new host, This "effects" explanation makes no sense at all. I'd love to see you defend it.TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 18:43, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Sign your posts please, I did not remove all your edits, which I found to be in good faith by the way, I simply tweaked them to make them fit and be in-universe. You are not really supposed to mention the movie like Prometheus when writing an article, its got to be in-universe. The Neomorph comes from motes expelled by fungus that was infected by the liquid, so by extension the liquid does "create" these monsters, however, if wish to be more detailed about how they exactly come about then clarify it in the article but keep it in-universe and don't alter things unnecessarily, for example some of the details were better worded before you altered them. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:32, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
OK, sorry, I'm new to wiki editing. I still think my "effects" explanation makes more sense. It needs to be made clear that there are stages in the life cycle started by the black liquid, not just *infected by the liquid then neomorph happens.* The parasite stage plays a big and obvious role. Please can I use the same edits as before if I make it "in universe" as you require?TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 18:43, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
Of course you can but don't unnecessarily alter words that are already adequate and try and keep it in-universe. I strongly recommend reading our policy so that you can understand how we do things here. Also try not take it personally if other people alter/edit your work, like I did. Its not done because you did anything wrong, indeed it can be the opposite, a good contributions that just needs tweaking and refining, these are just done to improve the article and make things fit better, whether by correcting spelling, grammer or moving sentences into better areas or removing redudant info etc, its all done to improve the page. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:51, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
    
      OK, thanks for the info. I'll try my best to follow the rules. TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 19:24, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
I think I'm satisfied with the edits we have both made on this article now so I won't be           adding anything else. Thanks for your input. Sorry for taking it personally to start with. TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 22:16, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
Much of the information about how the Chemical A0-3959X.91 – 15 functions, including the bit about it outright killing non-viable hosts, comes from the Alien: Covenant novelization, where David explains in-depth how the black goo pathogen functions. I'd give exact page numbers, but my version of the book is on Kindle and doesn't show page numbers for some reason.
Also, the novelization states that the black goo only infects animals, with the spore pods that spawn the Neomorphs being formed from the goo itself, not mentioning any fungal intermediary. I don't recall the film specifying that the pods were formed from an infected fungus, although I may have missed an interview with Ridley Scott or another cast/crew member where that was stated. Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 22:19, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
     
You're pretty much wrong my friend. I have the digital version of the novel right here. I've read it and see no evidence of the virus killing "non-viable" hosts, or even "non-viable" hosts being mentioned. I searched the word "viable" and found nothing related to your point. Also, the Alien: Covenant novelization came from an earlier version of the script. There are many differences from the movie - such as David not being the creator of the Xenomorph but emulating that which the Engineers already created. The novelization is thus non canon, compared to the movie itself, which is canon to the main Alien universe. Also I would like to point out that when David first mentions the spore pods or "egg sacks" as they are called...he does so when mentioning that the black goo takes on hosts. He is clearly stating that the goo is using those sacks as a host, implying those sacks used to be something else before the goo mutated them. We see in the movie that they look like fungal spore pods...thus by logical reasoning we can assume they used to be some kind of alien fungus before they were mutated. There is no evidence at all that the black goo simply creates spore pods out of itself. If those spores are actually just flying black goo...then the victims it infects would birth some kind of trilobite parasite, as Holloway/Shaw did. But no...these victims spawn neomorphs. Thus the spores are acting like mini facehuggers when they infect their victims. The egg sacks are like mini Ovomorphs, created when something else was infected by the goo. You can try to argue against my points here but you will fail.Italic text Sorry.TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 22:43, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
Guys, please take this to the chemical talk page, also don't be rude or confrontational TranscendentM. Etiquette is expected and enforced on this wiki as per the policy page. To add my own two cents, David does mention that it can kill outright I believe but cannot recall anything about viability but I have only read it once. I have it digitally as well and I can check, just let me know the page number Arawn. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 23:14, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't trying to be confrontational, I do get frustrated when people make claims about something, then I go to check their evidence and I see nothing. I see people misreading and misinterpreting things all the time, grates on my nerves, but that was not me being confrontational, maybe I worded it wrongly I meant - you will struggle to find evidence to back up those 2 points: 1) That the black goo kills non viable hosts outright , 2) The black goo spawns those egg sacks out of itself, with no infected fungus needed. I call false on both.TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 23:38, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
I recall David mentioning it can kill outright but I can't seem to find the spot where he says it myself, so if either of you can't find it then I have no problem with it being left out. In regard to the phrasing, David uses the word "suitable" at "Location 2268" and "potential" at "Location 2838" when talking about the hosts the pathogen targets, but it seems that as long as it's an animal the virus can infect it. Of note, he says the pathogen is highly adaptive and takes many forms, with the "black goo" being the virus's original state and the motes that produce the Neomorphs implicitly being another form it takes. If we compare the Neomorph life-cycle to the Xenomorphs', TranscendentM is right that the motes are analogous to the Facehuggers, making the "egg sac" pods analogous to the Ovomorphs. However, while the material that the pods grow from is stated to be fungus-like and compared to "black mold" at Location 1578, that they are found both outside the ship (where it is plausible that they could have come into contact with a fungal material) and inside the ship amidst the shattered remains of the ampules indicates - to me, at least - that the pods are a form the virus takes when it goes into stasis. Then again, that's just my interpretation and I could be completely wrong, but neither the novel or movie explicitly state things one way or the other.  Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 23:47, July 23, 2017 (UTC)
@TrancendentM
You should not get frustrated or have these things grate your nerves, just because they don't have your viewpoint or knowledge, that doesn't mean they deserve to be talked down i.e told they are going to fail. Being wrong and incorrect is not the same as intentionally and maliciously lying, we all get facts wrong from time to time, doesn't mean we are intentionally making stuff up or making claims etc. This is why I said read the policy page, it will tell you exactly how we do things here.
On here, users need to discuss things civilly and respectfully. If any user is unable to keep their cool then they should stop and think for a moment, if they cannot cool down and think rationally and behave civilly, then they will need to excuse themselves before things heat up and insults gets thrown because that is what happens. Not saying that is what you are doing that of course, but these are what can happen if you don't mind your emotions. Here is the policy link, no excuse to not read it. http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Xenopedia:Policy and http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Xenopedia:Manual_of_Style. Specifically http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Xenopedia:Behavior --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 00:02, July 24, 2017 (UTC)
@ Arawn 999 , Well if that is your view OK, but when I read the novel, at the part about the virus taking "many forms" etc. David is talking about how the virus mutates itself to outsmart the bodily defences of the its victims. He says - "..a human bodies white blood cells, would immediately be met by the pathogen adapting itself." He then goes on to talk about how the black liquid "atomizes to particles when exposed to air" and talks about how it infects more hosts that way and keeps going back to the air after it infects another host, basically like a flu virus would spread. David then says "Until there are no more hosts. ten years on, all that remains outside of the original, untapped containers of virus are these gorgeous little beasts." He then picks some of the fungus and throws it to Oram. It is obvious he is talking about hosts of the virus here, NOT the virus itself. If you read the wording carefully its obvious. Anyway, post further discussion on the chemical talk page. I'm done on here. TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 00:39, July 24, 2017 (UTC)
I found where David says the pathogen kills some hosts outright: it's in the film, after he saves the Covenant away team from the Neomorphs and takes them to the Engineer temple. Arawn 999 (talk) (Contribs) 17:35, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
Nope, sorry. I've just watched the part you're talking about and David does not say "incompatible hosts". He says - "Either kill them outright or use them as incubators to spawn a hybrid form, highly aggressive". He does not state specifically that the virus killing the host outright  is due to them being incompatible. As I have stated before in various posts it seems more likely that it is due to dosage level, whether or not it kills the host right away. A high dose of the virus, such as drinking a full cup or having it rained down on you will kill you instantly. At smaller doses it will cause the mutations and incubation of some kind of parasite. The parasite emerges, infects some other animal leading to the next stage of the cycle.
TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 19:02, August 3, 2017 (UTC)
Well, you just edited "incompatible hosts" to "some hosts" in your post, so I can agree with that. Cheers.
TranscendentM (talk) (Contribs) 20:07, August 3, 2017 (UTC)

Recent Contributions

Hi The Cruentus, Sorry I am new to this. I have read the formatting you require for new pages and I will do my best to adhere to it, it might take me a while to update all the pages as I can only do this in my spare time. As for the transcriptions if they aren't considered canon so be it. I know what you mean about the refrences in the Prometheus Bluray, Easter Eggs aren't canon. Gotcha.

I won't bother adding more if my entries will be deleted. I am happy just blogging about it.

I am in contact with Dane  Hallett who worked on Alien: Covenant and he has been checking my work so would that be enough to cement it as canon? I don't know.

It's not like all the illustrations had a close up in the movie. And Fox did rush the release of the DVD so the information is muddled up anyway. Most of the information is purposely ambiguous so I am not sure how I can defend any of it.

Thanks for letting me know the rules and trying to guide me, I do apreciate it.

Like www.facebook.com/yutanicorporation | Re-blog muthur9000.tumblr.com | Re-tweet twitter.com/Yutani_Assets (talk) (Contribs) 14:12, September 22, 2017 (UTC)


Hello Muther9000, do not be discouraged from editing or creating pages, all we ask is for you to just make sure the information you got can warrant its own page, otherwise just check to see if it can placed in a relevant existing page. For example, a lot of the dvd/blu ray extras info could simply be placed in the Alien: Covenant or Alien: Covenant - Advent pages.
Pages and sections (when it is not vandalism etc) get deleted only if there is no justification for them having their pages, for example, your special order pages were too short to have their own pages plus as my fellow admin stated on his talk page that their canonicity is suspect. Your case files/transmission pages have not been deleted, I merged them the Alien covenant-advent page, so your contribution was saved. Also the source you were citing is that of tumblr and your own account according to Leigh, these may not be suitable sources as we usually look for or atleast prefer/recommend trying to find official sources to cite, however depending how reliable a site is we may or may not use sources from unofficial ones such as AVPgalaxy.net which is a fan site, but they do conduct interviews with the cast and crew of various avp projects.
As for Dane Hallet. it depends, sometimes people who worked on a movie can provide sources and whatnot but when it comes to canonicity, that power to decide what is and isn't canon usually lies with the director or the studio etc. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 15:49, September 22, 2017 (UTC)
Hi again The Cruentus, Thanks for clarifying. I have tried asking Corporal Hicks of AVP Galaxy about David's Illustrations and he doesn't have the illustrations from the DVD on his site at all. I think I am the only one so far to upload them to the internet so far. Could I just reference my blog for the images and then reference the information sources from elsewhere?
Should I add a disclaimer that the information provided for the Flora I am identifying is only a guide and not to be taken as actual information of these Plants created for Planet 4? Should I seek out verification from Matt Hatton as well since they both have done a mix of the illustrations and I could only get verification from Dane for the ones he had done? I am not sure if they can provide sources for their work but I can try asking. MU/TH/UR 9000 

Like www.facebook.com/yutanicorporation | Re-blog muthur9000.tumblr.com | Re-tweet twitter.com/Yutani_Assets (talk) (Contribs) 07:05, September 26, 2017 (UTC)

The problem with referencing a blog or a personal profile is that its reliablity is in question. Its not an official source, is there other sources you can cite that has this information? The plant pages has passages which seem to be David's notes correct? well if that is the case perhaps they can be moved to a section on the Covenant-advent page etc. You might want to ask Leigh about all this as well, see what his thoughts are on the matter, he might be able to help if he has access to official information or also has the blu-ray to confirm what is on it. Also please try and cite the sources properly, simply making a reference section and pasting a link is not how citation works. The policy and manual and style has this information. Don't worry, you will get the hang of it in time. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:45, September 26, 2017 (UTC)

Editing Trouble

Hello Cruentus,

I am interested in contributing some edits to the Conestoga-class USCM starship page, but I was blocked from making changes by an "extension hook" error. Needless to say, I did a bit of research, and I found out that many wikis run an anti-abuse and spam filter to keep out riffraff from abusing legitimate articles and contributors. I would like to have a discussion about this if you are willing, and either submit my changes directly to you, or be given permission to edit articles on the wiki. Thank you very much for considering my request.

Warmest Regards,

Anthromech (talk) (Contribs) 03:30, November 1, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Anthromech, I will have to chat with one of my fellow admins about this as whatever is there to keep the problems away needs to stay that way for obvious reasons. There is no reason why you shouldn't be able to edit pages as while we do have a protection to stop unreg users editing, established members should have no trouble. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 12:17, November 4, 2017 (UTC)

New Character Page

Hello there, i would like to say how nice it is to see an admin on the Xenopedia wiki. I am a big editor as i have created about 6 pages off alien isolation, currently i am looking for someone who can add to the page Josiah Sieg, i have been adding some small details to his charctor box but there isn't much i can gather. If you or anyone else who uses this chat is able to get some more information for Josiah Sieg page that will be great.

Another note is, i am adding a new charactor page for Sebastion Sieg which i have noticed has the samw last name for Josiah, so i am guessing they are related. I am creating a page for him as he holds importance as to his "Tommorow Together" Logs found on Sevastopol Station (Alien: Isoaltion).

If theres anything ive done wrong, or that needs noting, inbox me. Thanks Alex

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 13:26, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

From memory, the only info ever given on Josiah is the reference to him being the founder of Seegson from the logs in Isolation. Beyond that, I've never found anything about him.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 15:49, November 20, 2017 (UTC)

Discussions and Forums

Hi there! Just checking in to see if you'd gotten the message for possible forum migrations / enabling discussions. Let me know what you think! Jamie

@fandom (profile)•(talk) 19:51, December 20, 2017 (UTC)

He has not — sorry, I've been away in Europe and generally in a mad rush because of Christmas. Anyway, staff are proposing a new discussions feature for the Wiki. Probably easiest to just past the message Jamie sent me, so here it is:
"Hey Leigh! I'm Jamie from FANDOM's Community Development team! Not sure if we never asked you if you are interested in turning on the Discussions feature for this community, and migrating the Threaded Forums across as well."
"In case you are unaware of the feature, Discussions was introduced last year to help communities engage with users and fans. It lives in its own space on the wiki and allows users to interact with other members of the community. It is also mobile friendly and gives mobile users a chance to contribute and engage with the community, and possibly turn them into wiki editors as well. Discussions also links with our FANDOM Apps, which this community has and it allows app users to easily take part in Discussions as well. You can read more about Discussions here."
"For more information on migrating forums to Discussions, you can check out this blog over on Community Central that explains everything in detail."
"If you have some concerns, Discussions, and Forums can exist side-by-side in case you do not want to migrate just yet. However, eventually all Forums will be migrated over to Discussions and Forums will be sunsetted as a feature, so getting ahead of the curve is never a bad idea."
As for my view — the forum isn't much used on here anyway, and if this is the way Wikia are moving things, then I have no problem with switching to this new system. Your thoughts?--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:15, December 21, 2017 (UTC)


@Leigh, if you think we should go ahead then I will agree too, though I have some reservations.
@Jamie I don't know too much about discussions except that its seperate from the wiki, its own space. Which seems inconvenient. However, we may as well move forward and enable it but we do prefer to keep things simple and classic on this wiki, hence why we like to keep using talk pages instead of comments etc. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 14:35, December 23, 2017 (UTC)
Hi there! Sorry it's taken me a bit to check back in with you guys. I'd love to enable Discussions for you guys here and on the app. I'll leave forums alone for now. Does that sound ok to you? Jamie

@fandom (profile)•(talk) 21:14, January 23, 2018 (UTC)

Hello! I've gone ahead and enabled discussions, I have also made the request to have the current Special:Forums migrated to Discussions, that process will take three weeks or so. I will also get the request in to have discussions enabled in the app. http://avp.wikia.com/d/f?sort=latest
@Cruentus, to your question about updates no showing up in recent edits, this is a common inconvenience I've heard. Know that we are going to make improvements to the tool before we sunset forums (which is one of the reasons why we're giving such a long transition time). One tool that you might helpful is this: http://dev.wikia.com/wiki/DiscussionsFeed. Let me know if you have any other questions! Jamie @fandom (profile)•(talk) 21:43, February 5, 2018 (UTC)

Links

Hi

Would it be possible to add a website link under the "External links" section in the header of the page? The website is AvP Central (https://www.avpcentral.com)

It seems you already added it before asking.... I will talk with my fellow admin about whether its suitable. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 00:00, January 2, 2018 (UTC)
Wwarez (talk) (Contribs) 07:33, January 2, 2018 (UTC)Thanks. I did add the link to the "AvP franchise" and "External links" sections but of course I don't have access to change the header of the page. Also, the "Alien Legend" link in the header is not working anymore, it could be removed.
Have you found out if it is suitable? Thanks

Opinions in Trivia sections

Are opinions that can't be proven allowed in the Trivia section such as this[1][2]? Because it seems if that's allowed, then anyone's opinion about anything on this wiki is fair game. Or it becomes only a few user opinions are allowed and any other opinion from someone else is not allowed.-Stated (talk) (Contribs) 22:14, January 18, 2018 (UTC)

Mobile Main Page

Hi The Cruentus; I'm Amanda with FANDOM's community development team! I'm reaching out to you to see if you wouldn't mind if I edited this wikis mobile main page? I want to add pages to the "Featured Content" section like the new Predator film. Let me know what you think, and if you want to proceed I can get the ball rolling.Witnessme (talk) (Contribs) 16:55, March 6, 2018 (UTC)

Watatsumi

Hello there this is Alex, i deeply apologise for changing the Watatsumi page. I never read the company name properly to see that it had two T's. I have renamed the page with by adding the extra T.

I apologise for having the page as Watasumi. 

Alex

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 13:59, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

Its ok, just be more careful in the future, like I said, read our policy page before editing. Its important to know how we do things here before continuing as otherwise your edits may disrupt the wiki. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:26, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

My Recent Edits

Hello Cruentus, do you mind checking my edits that I made today. I have done a lot as I have been adding pages, updating pages etc, as your the websites Administator I was going to see if you could perform an inspection on my edits, thanks Alex

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 19:54, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

Just had a look, other than the templates you inserted which need to be fixed up, and the karnak page that doesn't have enough info yet to justify having its own page, the edits are not are too bad, you should ask Leigh as well as he has better grammar than me and will make sure there aren't grammatical mistakes. Again I say, check the policy page and go through it carefully. With proper knowledge of this wiki's rules and style, you can contribute much more effectively. Also remember to source your info if and when you can. If you don't know how to cite, the policy pages will tell you how. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:26, March 18, 2018 (UTC)
How I found the details on Karnak is through the terminal on alien isolation, under the screens the karnak logo is displayed in a silver matallic colour. I also found a PDA device on a desk with Karnak's logo on it. I know there isnt much to go on, but as it involves more than one product, i did create a page. 
Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 20:34, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

SciMed

Yes i know, BUT it specifically says when you call the transit call to go to the car "this car for sevastopol science and medical tower"

some people wont know what scimed stands for, thats all.

Im happy you kept the classfication and the bits in brackets. No further issues from me

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 14:12, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

People will already know, not everyone would need things spelled out for them. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 15:43, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

A page for smaller companies

Hey C,

I would like to discuss about making an entire page for smaller companies such as Karnak and watatsumi. Me and Leigh discussed it on his wiki and he agreed, i was wondering if you could possibly help me?

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 14:24, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

Which wiki was this? --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 15:43, April 2, 2018 (UTC)


Wiki? Erm, what do you mean? 

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 16:57, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

You said Leigh discussed it with you on his wiki, which wiki is that? if you meant this wiki then should have said this wiki. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 17:25, April 2, 2018 (UTC)


Oh, i meant this is wiki, aha my apologies C.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 19:22, April 2, 2018 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes

Hi there.

For the last couple of weeks I've been working with a guy to create new portable infoboxes for the wiki — basically wikia is updating the way infoboxes are coded to help when it comes to viewing the site on mobile devices, but it also makes creating/editing infoboxes much easier. The new portable versions are more or less ready to go, but obviously I wanted to bring it to you before we implement them as it'll be a site-wide change.

You can see comparisons between the old-style infoboxes and the new ones here — the old ones are on the left, the new ones on the right. As you can see, I've mostly just had him copy the style of the old ones as far as possible, but there are a few minor differences.

Have a look at them and let me know what you think, but I think we're more or less ready to go with them. If you don't have any problems I'll get them up and running.

As a slight aside... Who is our third admin these days? :D Did we ever replace Toa on account of his inactivity? I wanted to bring this to all our staff before we go ahead, and I can't remember who holds the final admin spot lol.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 13:28, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

Looks great, no objections here, that said this wiki should still be pc first and mobiles second, a lot of sites have gone quite bad in quality and interface because they cater to mobile users over their original pc users. So as long as the mobile updates don't affect pc users negatively, it should be fine.
As for a third admin, HadAnd is our content moderator, I would have made him full on admin but his temperament is a little confrontational, this can be seen when he has to deal with people and has said some insulting language, while no one is perfect and I can certainly understand how frustrating it can be to deal with some folk, an admin would need to be patient and refrain from personal attacks, all that said, he is still a candidate, I just need to see some improvement before I can give him sysop status. Though to be fair most of that behaviour was quite awhile back, I think he has improved. Let me know what you think. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:53, April 3, 2018 (UTC)
So far as I can tell, they don't really affect viewing the site on PC at all; you can see for yourself they look almost identical to the current versions. It's mostly the background coding that's been changed. If you've got no objections, I'll go ahead and implement them next time I have some time set aside for wiki'ing.
Ah, I thought it was Had, but I got confused when I checked his page and he wasn't listed as an admin. That would be why. It's OK, I just wanted to make sure I involved all the admins in this and didn't want to miss someone out!--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 08:47, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

Hello there C

I would like to talk about the vents which unfolded yesterday. Leigh sent me a..... loverly message on my talk page regarding to some stuff claiming I ignore him and the policy, firstly I do not ignore Leigh, he is on cool guy, so are you. Secondly I did not ignore policy, I read that days ago but he said that info boxes and adding overview / background titles are on there, i looked on the policy and there was nothing there. Look I don't know if he thinks i'm taking the P? Or if he was just having a bad day, but for him to expect me to know eveything on the wiki isnt easy. Just so you understand me a little more, I have Autisim, which makes it difficult for me to understand certain things. 

Now i dont do this to ruin the wiki or anything like that. It's just some of the edit options are quite new and i dont feel like pressing them as it could mess up a particular page im editting. Please try to understand that i like being here and that i dont want to banned, he also said tht if i carry on that would happen. He claimed something about threatening and bullies, but assumed it was someone on this wiki, well he assumed wrong, i was talking about another wiki.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 11:51, April 6, 2018 (UTC) 

If you don't understand how a page works because of the needed layout and buttons, then ask for help before editing a page, that way you avoid making a mistake that we have to undo. Leigh is not being unreasonable in his actions, as from his POV he had to constantly tell you about the page layout. Also Leigh was only saying that no one here is bullying or threatening you, which is true since no one has. Blocking is not done to punish someone, its done to prevent further disruptions to the wiki. You seem like an enthusiastic person, just think before you do something, and if you not sure about something then check the policy again or ask one of us. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:47, April 8, 2018 (UTC)


Ta C,

I will hold myelf accoutable for the titles icluding background and overview, i didnt know why he wanted them, as below it gave the overview of that topic or thing? It was weird i mean i dont add stuff for nothing.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 14:50, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

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Possible Opportunity working directly with Fox

Hi Cruentus! We've the opportunity to partner directly with Fox around the release of this year's Predator movie, and we're wondering if you'd be open to a main page spiff. This would include a limited rebrand of the main page, including most likely the wordmark and other images. We'd love to make you something that you could keep longterm, but it could even be a rebrand that's only up for the duration of the sponsored time period since the emphasis would be the new movie. We did something similar with the Harry Potter Wiki around they release of the last Fantastic Beasts movie. Let me know what you think and if you have any questions! Jamie @fandom (profile)•(talk) 23:14, April 9, 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jamie, it does sound interesting, let me just confer with my fellow admin about this as it will be a change that affects the main page. A question though, after the movie's release, will our main page go back to it's current status with no issues? I'm just a little cautious is all as coding can be fickle and tricky. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:17, April 10, 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Great :) We can definitely work with you guys to make sure you're happy with the main page after the campaign. I'm sure we can make it work. Stay tuned for more info! Jamie @fandom (profile)•(talk) 15:57, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

Hive chat

Hey, Cruentus. May I speak to you in hive chat? I have something to clear up. JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 03:59, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

I tried but I cannot speak in there due to the device I'm on. What I tried to say but couldn't enter it, is what happened? we need to trust our members. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 10:44, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

Seegson Comms

Hey C, i checked the policy but i cant find anything about resizing imgaes, hmm what ill do is keep the info box but delete the image, yer..

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 22:44, April 12, 2018 (UTC)




Why did you undo my post? You let seegson security and Seegson synthetics be classed as a subsaridy but not seegson communications? Instead of undoing your post, ill add in the info box without the image. 

Heres the image which is Seegson Comms slogan and pic

File:SeegsonCommslogo.png

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 23:11, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

You change image size by putting for example 200px next to the image name. I removed your edit because only one infoboxes should be on a page. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 23:19, April 12, 2018 (UTC)


Can you remove the location infobox and add the corporation infobox instead? I have loads of evidence and i feel like the Corp info box is better as its a Subsidary of seegson.

It has a Slogan, image, manifesto its own C.C.O?

There must be some way C?

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 23:36, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

I would say your best bet is to ask Leigh when it comes to infoboxes as he is probably more familiar with them than I, including which one is suitable. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 00:16, April 13, 2018 (UTC)
Will do, thanks for the help C
Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 16:03, April 14, 2018 (UTC)

Collaboration between Alien Fanon Wiki and Xenopedia

Hello The Cruentus,
I am an Administrator and Bureaucrat of the Alien Fanon Wiki [3] and have seen that your community is very active and big.
So my question is if it is possible to somehow create a partnership between our both Wikis, because your Wiki is about the official Alien Canon and my Wiki is about fanfiction created by devoted fans. So I assume a collaboration would be very efficient.
I would appreciate an answer.
Sincerly --InquisitorZylon (talk) (Contribs) 18:16, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

Smaller Companies

Good Day C. Long time no see.

I apologise for my mysterious disappearence, I unfortunetly had a computer issue and luckily i am back!

Anyways, i was here to ask if you could possible asisst me in creating a new page that will be full of small companies, instead of it being in a catagory as some small companies such as: Watasumi do not hold much lore or importance and should be placed onto one page to conerve space. 

If a company gained more lore and information. Then depedning on the information provided to us, then we could give it it's own page.

I'll start right now, luckily i have another user helping me, forgot his name, but ill create a rough draft, if you don't like it you can delete it or you can improve on it.

Thanks to my re-expedtion on Alien: Isolation i dug a lot deeper, especially when it comes to small details such as letters, notice boards etc. And i have uncovered some interesting lore.

Thanks Alex

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 00:35, June 4, 2018 (UTC)

Seegson

I understand, but what about Weyland Corps technology? That has a lot of info on its technology?

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 01:05, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

Yes but they are not advertisement slogans as far as I know. If you wish to discuss it however, go to the Seegson talk page and start a discussion. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:06, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

The Founders/The Rage

Hey there, Cruentus.

I was wondering if the Founders and Rage articles should be merged into a single page — after all, it's the same group, it just changes its name after Maloney takes charge. To me it would make more sense to just have a single page on the Rage that covers the faction's entire history, with Founders as a redirect and mentioned in the intro/history.

p.s. I'm away on holiday tomorrow for a week or so. Depending on how long it takes you to get back to me, I might not be around for a while to reply!--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 07:32, June 27, 2018 (UTC)

Its been awhile since I read the novel and while the Rage were from the founders, I remember them acting a hell of lot different to the point they could be considered another group, basically a splinter group. However, since they technically are the same group just under different leadership, I suppose you could merge them if you think its for the best.
p.s have a good time on your holiday :)--PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:18, June 27, 2018 (UTC)
Unless either of the two following novels (which I've not read yet) shed more light on it, Incursion seems to say it's all the same people, just with a new name, a new leader and a new objective. To propose a topical example, it would be like if 20th Century Fox changed its name to Disney Fox — we wouldn't create a new page for that and keep both, we'd simply rename the existing one and mention that it used to be called 20th Century :)
And thanks! I'm literally about to head out the door. Speak to you when I get back.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 15:02, June 28, 2018 (UTC)

AVP trivia and my edits.

Hello The Cruentus, I admit I did strive to be a bit colourful in my description in the AVP movie trivia section, perhaps that entry would have been more appropriate for the goofs page of that movie and yes well whilst you could be correct about that scene in AVP I'm sure you still cringed when you recalled and compared it to the similar scene in Aliens.

I was not aware of the cyanose-based paralytic that facehuggers have as that information is from the more recent Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report, though regardless of that I would still think that a Yautja with it's robust physiology, dexterity and kinesic awareness would intuitively react to the situation and be able to unwrap and pull off a facehugger that had latched on before it could be rendered unconscious. I personally believe that the only realistic situation where a Yautja could be succesfully facehugged would be when restrained by xenomorph warriors.

And yes about the duplicate page for the HIM-122 Lancer that I made, I did try to change the name of that article but would have required an avp.wikia admin to do so, haha but I just cringed when I noticed that it was incorrectly designated as the HIM-112 Lancer when there is already an HIM-112 HIMAT so I was compelled to rush and make a new page for the HIM-122 Lancer and left a note in the Talk section of that article saying so as I was aware that creating a new page and leaving the other like that is not good procedure. Sorry but this is the first wiki that I have edited and so it is a bit new to me.Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 15:29, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

Facehuggers are extremely strong, I doubt even Predators and Engineers could pry one off them before they succumbed to the sedative (which happens in seconds) plus the constricting tail could knock them out as well. The paralytic thing is actually older than the W-Y report as something like it was mentioned in an Aliens magazine. Even if it was in the goofs section which it shouldn't be because its not a goof, it would still have to be neutral. You cannot write in first person and have biased/opiniated comments on a wiki. The reason its not a goof as well is that Ripley didn't have the facehugger on her face like Scar did so she would not be exposed to the paralytic, still she needs three others to help her remove the tail, that is how strong they are. The only stupid thing about what happened to Scar was that he didn't even realize what happened to him.
Which is why you should have asked me or Leigh before making a duplicate. Generally speaking, when it comes to duplicates, the orginal one stays and if there is any new or relevant info on the new, it just gets merged with the origial. I have to repeat, please read the policy page before making any further edits. Xenopedia:Policy --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 15:49, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
Would you consider it opinionated if I were to (in this article https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/10%C3%9724mm_Caseless) draw attention to the four bullet per layer ammunition stack configuration in the picture of the M41A MK2 Pulse Rifle magazine and elaborate on why that is how 99 or 95 bullets (though the MK2 magazine has a 40-60 round capacity) can fit inside a magazine about the same size as a 30 round STANAG magazine?Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 16:02, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
You would need to make sure you write in a neutral manner with no personal thoughts/opinion involved, also make sure there is some basis to it otherwise its just wild speculation. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 16:09, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
I added a paragraph about that to the Overview section of the https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/10%C3%9724mm_Caseless page if you are interested.Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 16:22, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

New Seperate Pages for USCM Corps Tanks

Hello again, I just saw your message in the Talk section of the USCM Corps Weapon Ammunition Types that I created recently, I have since added more entries to it and would like to know if you still think it should be in the United States Colonial Marine Corp article instead of having a seperate page as I did originally start the ammunition entries there as a category in that article but I decided that the information took up too much space and interfered with the clearly defined categories already there.

Also do you think that it would be appropriate for me to create new seperate pages for the M22A3 medium and M40 heavy tanks or keep them in one article due to a lack of information on the M34A2 light tank which is only mentioned once as far as I am aware?Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 19:59, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

Apologies for my late response but I have been a bit busy this week and going to be nexk week as well.
Generally its only worth given something its own page if there is enough relevant info to justify it, the ammunition types initially seemed unnecessary but I noticed there is indeed a large amount, that said, the ammunition could just as easily been put in the gun articles they belong to. As for the tanks, don't make a page for something that has only little information. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 08:54, July 4, 2018 (UTC)
Yes I had a closer look at the USCM Corps Tanks page after I messaged you about it, I thought there may have been at least a few descriptive words about the M34A2 Longstreet or M22A3 Jackson but I found that the article could use neatening up regardless of that since basically all of the information is about the M40 Ridgeway and a bit about heavy armour logistics.Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 16:58, July 4, 2018 (UTC)
About the USCM ammunition article, I could move the ammunition type information to the USCM Corps article by noting them underneath their respective weapons, but I reordered the USCM Corps equipment, weapon and vehicle categories so that they are in accordance with contemporary military weapon and vehicle classification with the intent that people desiring information to develop mods, new computer games or other media related to the Aliens or AVP franchises would have an easily accessible and fully comprehensive resource available to them so that their work will be of a higher quality and I think that noting all of the ammunition types underneath each weapon and vehicle entry would interfere with the clarity and compactness of the weapon and vehicle lists as the individual weapons and vehicles aren't displayed in the contents box like they are in the seperate ammuntion article.
Though I could just add a seperate ammunition section underneath the vehicles category where that information doesn't interfere with the clarity and compactness of the actual weapon and vehicle lists, what would you suggest?Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 17:17, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Added an Article as a Category

Hello, I mistakenly added a non-responsive link to the USCM Corps Weapons Ammunition Types page in the Categories section at the very bottom of the USCM Corps and the Weapons category pages misinterpreting the result of doing so, could you please correct that, thank you.

Don't create categories that don't exist or use it for links, one cannot just type anything in the category section, only existing categories belong there. I will correct it now. I hope you have been reading the policy because it will help you. I don't mean to be repeating on you but too many folks come here and don't read it, then they make mistakes that we got to clean up. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 08:57, July 4, 2018 (UTC)
Yes I misinterpreted the purpose of the categories section at the bottom of articles.Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 17:25, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Xenomorph life cycle article

Hello again I saw your edit note on the https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph_life_cycle article, I was led to believe by the https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Category:TransBreed_Aliens article that the words 'Transbreed' and 'Purebreed' (whilst originating in AVP: Extinction) are categorical terminology that is now applied to all xenomorph types whos physiology is either influenced by the host species or purely XX121 derived. Do you think it would be content appropriate if I were to:

- Add the Empress, Palatine and Queen Mother to the 'Adult Caste' category

- Add entries to the 'Mutated Forms' category

- Made a 'Genetically Engineered Xenomorphs' category after the 'Mutated Forms' category

- And instead add the 'Yautja Transbreed' and 'Engineer Transbreed' categories I made to the https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Category:TransBreed_Aliens article

Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 00:37, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Transbreed and Purebreed was a game mechanic in AVP:E and never to be seen again, also its very concept is contradicted by other sources that shows Queens will take traits from the host.
No, because it is meant to be life-cycle page, not a list of Xenomorph types, however, we can discuss that further when Leigh gets back from his vacation.
The transbreed/purebreed categories were supposed to be deleted so no, do not do that. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 09:42, July 8, 2018 (UTC)
Ok let me know if Leigh is interested in discussing the content of the Xenomorph life cycle article.Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 23:00, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Yautja Point-defense and Multi-missile System Article Titles

Hello, I noticed that the Yautja weapon articles https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Point-defense_system and https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Multi-missile_system are incorrectly named as in the https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Aliens_versus_Predator:_Extinction_Bestiary article they are called the 'Killscreen Generator' and 'Electroshock Missile Battery', could you please correct the names of those two articles, thank you.Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 23:00, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Don't worry, I found I am able to rename articles without the assistance of an administrator.Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 05:02, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

A question

This wiki has bold headings everywhere, but they're automatically bold when you add them. I want to ask how? I want the same thing on a wiki of mine. ElectroKaiju300 (talk) (Contribs) 20:13, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Live Chat

Hey C

Me and joey are in the live chat and we would like you to join as we are discussing some topics

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 14:46, July 20, 2018 (UTC)

I think the hive chat disconnected... if you want you can rejoin. We're still discussing the same topic. --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 15:49, July 20, 2018 (UTC)

Article Name Deletion

Hello again Cruentus, could you please delete the article name of Mutant,_Genetically_Engineered,_Hybrid/Tribrid_and_Cyborg_Xenomorphs that I renamed the extended universe Xenomorph castes article to that you then restored so that I can make a new article like you suggested using the same title I mentioned at the beginning of this message, thank you. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 16:50, July 22, 2018 (UTC)

I already renamed the page that you changed to. You can see it in the recent activity. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 16:58, July 22, 2018 (UTC)
Yes I know but when I try to create a new article with that title it says that an article with that title already exists and the link to it is just a redirect to the extended universe castes article that you restored and renamed. Are you able to remove that article name I made from the system so that I can create a new article with that title that doesn't conflict with an existing article title? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 17:32, July 22, 2018 (UTC)
I will ask Leigh about that when he comes back but if I have to be honest, you really shouldn't trying naming it that, its messy. Just put List of Artificial Castes in the Expanded Universe or something like that. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 17:25, July 22, 2018 (UTC)
Instead of keeping those distinct sections in the expanded universe castes article, do you think it would it be more appropriate for me to create a new article with a more concise name like 'Altered Xenomorph Varieties' and then restoring the expanded universe castes article to its original state before I began adding to it? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 17:32, July 22, 2018 (UTC)
I already suggested that, if you want to create a new page for the artificial EU Xenomorph castes, you can do that. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 17:46, July 22, 2018 (UTC)

Correction of' 'White hybrid' to 'White tribrid'

Hello again, this is something that I also messaged Leigh about.

The White hybrid article is about creatures that are genetically engineered from three different species so technically they would be most correctly described as tribrids instead of hybrids.

Do you think it is appropriate to rename that article and all references to them as tribrids, or do you think that it is more correct to keep them listed as hybrids in the case that they are referred to as such in the comic book series they are depicted in, whilst only mentioning in their articles that they are not hybrids but tribrids? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 17:57, July 22, 2018 (UTC)

It depends, if they called "White Hybrids" in the comics, then it should be left as it is, however if there is no other official name for it, then there could be a discussion on whether to change it or not. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:03, July 22, 2018 (UTC)

Alien vs. Predator (1994 arcade game) Xenomorph Classification

Hello Cruentus I have also sent this message to Leigh, in the arcade game Alien vs. Predator (1994 arcade game) there are five or so types of Xenomorphs that are not featured in any other media (except for the Chrysalis in Aliens (1990 video game)). I haven't played that arcade game and would like to know whether or not I could add them to one or more of the sections in the new Altered Xenomorph Varieties article that I created recently since they are described as:

- Smasher is a special type of Xenomorph Warrior

- Defender described as being bipedal with very strong chitinous armour and its purpose is more similar to that of Drones such as gathering hosts etc.

- Arachnoid is a specialized variant of either the Warrior or Stalker (Drone) Xenomorphs created through experimentation, in a similar way to both the Chrysalis] and Razor Claws variants

- Chrysalis mentioned as being created though experimentation in the Arachnoid article

- Razor Claws is a genetic malfunction in the cocoon process and also mentioned as being created though experimentation in the Arachnoid article

I have already put the Razor Claws in the Mutant Xenomorphs section under the Naturally Occurring Mutations subsection as it is described as coming about from a genetic malfunction in the cocoon process, though none of the articles on these Xenomorphs cite references or official sources for the information regarding whether or not they are natural Xenomorphs castes developed by a Queen for specialised purposes like Praetorians or unintentional mutations though it is more likely that most of them were genetically engineered by General Bushes/WYs scientists.

From the information in those articles my own definition of those five Xenomorph varieties is:

- Smasher - A specialised variant of Warrior like the Subterranean Xenomorph developed by a Queen

- Defender - A specialised variant of Drone developed by a Queen that is adapted to capturing hosts whilst under heavy fire

- Arachnoid -Genetically engineered by General Bushes/WYs scientists or possibly developed by a Queen as an ambush variant like a Drone or Lurker that is also highly mobile and acrobatic

- Chrysalis - Genetically engineered by General Bushes/WYs scientists as a specialised variant of Praetorian

- Razor Claws - Genetically engineered by General Bushes/WYs scientists to fulfill a function similar to that of a Ravager

Do you think that these definitions are valid enough for me to add them to their repective sections in the Altered Xenomorphs Article or do you think that all five of those Xenomorphs would have been genetically engineered by scientists? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 03:34, July 24, 2018 (UTC)

Cystic Runner in Aliens vs. Predator: Extinction

Hello Cruentus, are you able to confirm whether or not the Cystic Runner is a variant that can be spawned in the game, I've had a look on Xenopedia and elsewhere but was not able to find any information one way or the other. The Cystic Acid page does say that any alien emerging from a cystic acid effected host; with the exception of a Praetorian; would be enhanced so that follows a Runner could also have cystic enhancement.

Are you able to confirm this? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 16:19, July 25, 2018 (UTC)

Been too long since I played AVP:Extinction and currently won't be able to play it to find out, so I can't confirm it. All I remember is using the cystic acid attack on a potential host and then infecting them would spawn a cystic version of the Alien but I cannot recall if that affected Runners or not. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:01, July 25, 2018 (UTC)
Ok well since it is more or less implied that Runners would also be effected by that as is mentioned on the Cystic Acid page I'll be listing them in the 'Standard Xenomorph Caste Variants' category that I haven't yet added to the expanded universe castes article. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 18:50, July 25, 2018 (UTC)

Expanded Universe Xenomorph Varieties

Hello Cruentus, I have completed organising fully comprehensive categorical lists of all conceived Xenomorph and Xenomorph-like creatures with links to and descriptions of each of the four primary distinctions of expanded universe Xenomorph varieties in a new section at the bottom of the Xenomorph life cycle article, let me know what you think of it. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 15:00, July 26, 2018 (UTC)

Hello again Cruentus and sorry about placing the category links section on the life cycle page, I was looking for a prominent Xenomorph page to display the links and descriptions of those expanded universe Xenomorph caste distinctions I made.
Here is a link to the blog I made about the Fully Comprehensive Xenomorph Classification System and I would like to know what you think of it. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 18:45, July 26, 2018 (UTC)

What on earn has happened?

C i come on to find a warning for going behind somones back for doing what? I cant even think of anythign ive done man

Im shaking as ive jus come back from my mothers funeral and this....

Im loyal to you guys and i just wouldnt go behind your back heck nobodys??? I am so confused

Then frighttrain takes the mick out my glasses? REALLY? you let him off the hook with no warning, that actually upset me. 

  • Behavior — Be considerate, not combative. Avoid offensive language or insults.

Well i certainly feel insulted by his tone, id like to file a wanring towards him for that. Not happy by his behavior when L has warned me for something i cant even bloody think off.

C im sorry for whatever i did, even if i did it was accidental, i just wouldnt do that on purpose, now ive got that crap on my page.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 19:42, July 26, 2018 (UTC)

No you must have misread my previous comment on your talk page, I actually enhanced your glasses from 'wears glasses' to 'bespectacled' and I actually requested a badass sticker depicting a Yautja raising his fist!  Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 19:48, July 26, 2018 (UTC)


Pile of scum, ill cetainly get the police involved buddy, i cant believe this. C are you seeing this, over a page i wanted to discuss about wow. 16 years of bullying.

And F i aint stupid

So that 16 year old was riding me under false pretenses! This is inverse paedophilia?!

hmmm you really want me to go there.

I worked my arse off on this wiki and this??? For a mistake, i wanted to see if you could find some info on S.C my lord well thats in the trash and you NEED a warning for insulting my appearence. Thats on the policy aint it? Says the one who "doesnt" read it ha, honestly im this close from giving up and getting police involved. 

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 19:51, July 26, 2018 (UTC)

Geez Alex relax, that was a joke and I don't even know if there's a word for inverse paedophilia ;P Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 19:53, July 26, 2018 (UTC)
First off Alex, he wasn't let off, I warned him about editing others' user pages and so did Leigh, if he does it again then I will block him since given him a warning tag would just make him happy since he doesn't understand what having a warning tag means. Its not cool or a badge of honor, it is a sign of one breaking the rules.
As for what you did Alex, you were told to stop adding irrelevent info to the seegson pages and was in fact supposed to still be discussing it with leigh, instead you apparently went behind his back by having another member edit for you. If you disagree with what has happened then discuss it with Leigh.
Also stop insulting each other, I will be dealing with this now.--PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:05, July 26, 2018 (UTC)

Live chat

Live chat C

Its important i need to urgently talk me and you

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 20:23, July 26, 2018 (UTC)

List of Xenomorph Castes Article Edit

Hello Leigh, I added the four category distinctions of nonstandard Xenomorph varieties that I made to the List of Xenomorph Castes Article. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 08:02, July 27, 2018 (UTC)

Tusked Xenomorphs

Hello Cruentus, in the Aliens vs. Predator: Three World War article the Tusked Xenomorphs are said to be 'specially bred' with no further information on that in either article. Do you think that on the List of Xenomorph castes article I should move them from the 'Xenomorphs of Unknown Conception' section and into a new section titled 'Selectively Bred Xenomorphs'? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 18:45, July 27, 2018 (UTC)

Hello again, I have since moved the Tusked Xenomorphs as well as all of the winged Xenomorph varieties featured in Aliens: Armageddon from the 'Xenomorphs of Unknown Conception' section to a new section titled 'Fundamentally Distinct Xenomorphs' with a section description explaining how those two groups are similar to eachother and distinct from other Xenomorph varieties.
I have also changed the animal host Xenomorph entries to display in the list the type of animal they were spawned from instead of the Xenomorph names, which are listed in bullet points underneath. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 15:11, August 4, 2018 (UTC)

RE93 Absorbing Stock manufactured by WY or Armat

Hello Cruentus, the RE93 Absorbing Stock attachement for the NSG 23 is mentioned in its article as manufactured by Armat and not WY who manufactures the NSG 23 and all other attachments and modifications for it.

If you have played Aliens: Colonial Marines or have relevant knowledge of it otherwise, are you able to confirm whether or not the RE93 is manufactured by Armat or even if it is manufactured by both companies, thank you. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 18:15, August 6, 2018 (UTC)

Classification of the Spitter and Boiler Xenomorphs

Hello Cruentus, in the expanded universe Xenomorph varieties article I have listed the Spitter and Boiler Xenomorphs from Aliens: Colonial Marines as genetically engineered Xenomorphs as they seemed most likely to have been due to Xenomorph experimentation at the Origin Facility and also their divergent appearance and the redundance of the Spitter being able to spit acid (since Runners and other Xenomorphs have been known to do so).

However, in the Spitter's talk page it was mentioned that in Aliens: Colonial Marines that Dr. Levy says that they are a subspecies which I would take to imply they are an adaptation directed by a Xenomorph Queen and more correctly listed in the Auxiliary Xenomorph castes subsection, instead of the Genetically engineered Xenomorphs section.

I have not played Aliens: Colonial Marines so what that user said is all I know about that, if you have played that game do you remember if there is any other information that says more about the nature of those two Xenomorph varieties? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 16:35, August 11, 2018 (UTC)

Hi Freighttrain, due to a lack of information, there is no proof one way or another that the Boilers or Spitters are due to genetic engineering, the game has many faults, one of them is the bizarre Alien castes that have no explaination for existing. Best to put them under unknown or something --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 16:06, August 12, 2018 (UTC)

Drukathi

Hi there, Cruentus.

I'm reading AVP: Armageddon at the moment, and it seems to me the Drukathi are actually supposed to be the Dog-aliens from Out of the Shadows, given how they were described as having four legs and appearing "dog-like" in the first book of the trilogy. Other similarities include their highly advanced biomechanical technology and possession of Xenomorphs. I'm confident enough the two species are one and the same that I think the pages should be merged.

Just wanted to let you know and give you a chance to share your thoughts before I butchered your Drukathi page :P --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 18:30, September 3, 2018 (UTC)

I only read that book once and it seems I mostly forgot a lot of about it, if you truly think the book strongly suggests that they are one in the same (and the Rage trilogy is a continuation of the Shadow trilogy which featured those dog-aliens) then I say go for it. :) Also what do you mean my page? I never created it lol --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 10:44, September 4, 2018 (UTC)
Oh, sorry, I thought you had. My mistake :) --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 13:56, September 4, 2018 (UTC)
Hi guys, I've updated the Dog-alien entry in the Xenomorphs Spawned From Sentient Extraterrestrials section in the Expanded Universe Xenomorph Varieties article in accordance with Leigh's Drukathi theory. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 14:21, September 4, 2018 (UTC)

New Blog Post

Hello Cruentus, I thought you might be interested in a new blog post I have just made about my perspectives on the Yautja. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 21:19, September 5, 2018 (UTC)

I am specfically interested in your thoughts on my comparison of Yautja and spiders and in particular the creative application of the correlation between Yautja forehead patterns and spider abdomen patterns in terms of comparable hunting styles and weapon preferences etc. for use in the development of new Predator and AVP franchise media.
Particularly computer games as this would add a much more expansive and immersive level to gameplay in terms of not only a larger variety of meaningful and less ambiguous cosmetic character customisations, but also functional gameplay attributes as well as equipment/weapons variation/enhancement availability for specific types of Yautja, along with any other features that could be derived from my ideas on that. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 10:39, September 7, 2018 (UTC)
Probably either coincidence or simply inspiriation as Stan Winston did design City Hunter to be a bit more insect like. I don't think appearance has anything to do with hunting styles, that is just down to the individual's skillset. The only possible advantage in a video game I can thing of short notice might be a "home field advantage trait", Jungle Hunter would be more effective in a jungle level, while CH in an urban. essentially a stat boost of some kind when the characters are on a level that their character hunts in.
I don't think females should look too different from males, that are not human so they should not fall into human standards of "wider hips and breasts". --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 09:51, September 8, 2018 (UTC)
The Yautja forehead pattern correlation to spider abdomen pattern and hunting style etc. was a feature that I suggested be implemented, not one that I believe was already in use, meaning I also believe that the forehead pattern design similarities may be a coincidence but much less so with the overall Yautja head structure and other mentioned lifestyle etc, similarities as it just seems blatantly obvious to me now.
And on your comment regarding Yauja hunting styles being down to the individual's skillset, each Yautja certainly would certainly have an individual style but what I propose is using the forehead pattern correlation to the abdomen patterns of various spiders and their hunting styles a means to develop a new expansive and immersive level to Yautja lore by using a preexisting, well documented information source that is already structured and would require little effort to adapt in the creation of new media in the Predator and AVP franshises.
And on the topic of Yautja female sexual dimorphism, whilst I don't particularly care one way or the other about the depiction of Yautja females with prominent breasts (extraterrestrial breasts of human proportions in sci-fi just seems cheap and gaudy to me), the pelvis width is primarily to do with skeletal dimensions for the more functional purposes of ease of childbirth and of course indication of sexual maturity in a female (among other things) and would seem much more likely to me.
But(t) being a species with diverse epidermis colouration and spots/mottling etc. the sexual dimorphism could possibly instead have more to do with such contrastingly subtle differences which are also a sexually dimorphic feature found in various terrestrial species of reptiles and yes I do think that Yautja biology is more reptilian than mammalian. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 11:02, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

Apology

C I'd like to apologise about the situation that occured on C's page. I thought J was still interested in redoing that page but obvisouly not, ill be working on it by myself independanlty, this time ill come to you for support as youre more understadning.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 16:16, September 8, 2018 (UTC)


Actually! Could you make a duplicate copy of Seegson Security? Then i can work on it on there! Yer i like that

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 16:16, September 8, 2018 (UTC)

Prometheus and Covenant Short Films

Hi there, Cruentus. Hope you're well!

I don't know if you've seen what I've done to the page for the Crucified motion comic, but I've turned it into a consolidated article that covers both of the Predators motion comics (we didn't actually have a page for the other one).

That got me thinking — might it be a good idea to do the same for the Prometheus and Alien: Covenant short films? We already have articles for some of these (TED 2023, Advent, and an article covering both of the Prologue shorts) but there are another four we don't have anything on. Some of the remaining shorts probably don't have enough content to carry an article all by themselves, so I thought maybe doing a page for each movie that covers all of the related short films might be a better approach? Basically following the exact same format I've used for the Predators motion comics page but titled "Prometheus short films" and "Alien: Covenant short films". I'd move the info from the existing pages there, create new sections for the missing films, and finally leave some redirects with each short's individual title so the appropriate page is easy to find, just like I've done with the two Predators comics.

Thoughts?--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 09:11, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

Hey buddy, yeah no problem, if they don't have enough info to justify having individual pages, then go ahead. :) --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 12:24, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

Resurrecting the Ancient Drone/Warrior Conundrum :P

I didn't actually realise you'd made some changes to the Drone test page! (Or, perhaps more accurately, it was so long ago I forgot :P) As for the issue at hand, I recently found a good post on Strange Shapes that goes into the issue of the Drone/Warrior distinction. I don't know if you wanted to take a look at it.

As for your concern that people might have preconceptions about what Drone and Warrior refer to, that's valid, but it's easy enough to fix with some redirects and a properly-worded introduction to the article that explains both are one and the same :) --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:09, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

Alright, I just checked that page out and it is saying what some of us has already mentioned, same alien just different age and honestly if they are the same, I can't see why there shouldn't be a merge but a few sources have seperated them, A:CM and AVP:E, then you got Requiem having them go against the aging thing. Something we got to consider but maybe their non-canon status means it can be worked around. What do you think?
If the merge does go ahead, what do you think the name should be? Drone or Warrior? Also we would probably need tabs on some sections. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 10:19, September 22, 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, got distracted by other projects and this slipped my mind again lol.
Yeah, scanning the page now, I think it would be wise to add a note somewhere that mentions some sources have separated them as different castes. I'll have a look at doing that tomorrow.
As for the name, I think Drone is the most sensible choice. It's what the Weyland-Yutani Report uses, noting that it applies to both the smooth- and ridge-head variants, and that book is probably the best canon source we have for Alien biology. Warrior would redirect there, and it's already mentioned in the opening section how they're often called that.
I'm not really sure anything needs to be tabbed. If the Drone and Warrior become one and the same, there wouldn't seem to be any real need to separate anything out. Just combine the info from the existing pages into one.
Again, I've not looked at this for a while, so my comments above are provisional pending another good look through the consolidated test page, which again I'll hopefully do tomorrow :) --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 21:26, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

F inappropriate Link

Hey F, apologies for removing the link, i didnt realise i was breaking the rules. well tbh the first hing that came to mind was to remove the potienital virus link. All i did was skim through to find the 'inappropriate' bit thats all. Anyways i sent L a message about Ford being in the unvirse could you have a look. Thx Alex

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 20:35, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

It was just a link to an older version of his talk page. You should have realized since it is in the policy. Anyway for future reference, just message Leigh or me. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 21:02, September 30, 2018 (UTC)


Got you C, anyways. Ive done some work on Seegson Security could you have a look? Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 21:23, September 30, 2018 (UTC)
Best to ask Leigh that since he has been dealing with those pages of late, though I would say do what he says concerning those pages and wait for a response from him before doing anything. Also if your edit has altered the layout, I would recommend reverting to correct it. Whatever you added would still be in the history if you need to readd it at a later time. Also Alex, there is no need to comment on what is happening with freightrain, I have already warned him. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 21:32, September 30, 2018 (UTC)
Aight C, i havent messed up the layout i changed the name and that about it. Anyways, about F, i tried to at least reason with him as well... i never wanted to act or look like some pillock or something. But as youre the boss round here, ill leave that up to you as you asked.
Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 21:37, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

Little Break

Hey Cruentus, Im gonna take a little break from the wiki as the edits i wanted to make over the year are finishe,d you know with seegson and companies etc. Its not permanent just temporary that's all. I am really enjoying myself here, i mean the you and leigh are nice, strict but oh well its fine by me, the franshise as a whole is interesing, one of my favourites. 

Anyways, you'll probably see one edit here and there as ill do some small check ups. Apart from that i just wanted to say thanks.

When it comes to F i dont really know what to say, i felt offended mainly due to him behaving like that on a wiki, it just surprised me onto why people with talent can be like that. I will apologise for messaging him as yes you did say you'll warn me for messaging him if i remember but, i understand were you are coming from. I'll ignore him in the future and any incidents ill come straight to you. I just hate seeing this wiki being spoiled by that. But anyways thanks for a good year, apart from some errors aused by myself i enjoy it here. 

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 20:53, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

Bouvet>Gunnison Evidence

Hi, I hope you're all doing well. Anyways, this is the evidence of who did what to Scar:

(and it needs signal processing.) WrathoftheArrow (talk) (Contribs) 10:11, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Not evidence. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:45, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Badges

how many types of badges are there?

Please sign your posts. Not sure myself as I haven't looked. However, I would not worry about it as the badges are not that important. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 22:45, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Page names

Hi C

So i was looking at Weyland Yutani and the page name doesnt make sense, as in shouldnt it be called (The) Weyland Yutani Corporation or Weyland Yutani? Same goes for Seegson, should it be called The Seegson Corporation or Seegson Corporation?

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 16:46, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

Not necessarily. No one goes around calling them the weyland yutani or the seegson.--PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 17:13, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

Following up on the Drone/Warrior Merge

So I've finally got around to looking at the Drone merge test page again (lol, one day we'll finish this). What I've done this time:

  • Added the remaining missing info from the Warrior page (mostly behind the scenes stuff about Aliens)
  • Deleted the Eggmorphing section (I actually moved it to/merged it with the life cycle page, as it seems to be a better fit there)
  • Added info about the misconception that the Drone/Warrior are separate castes (citing that Strange Shapes page I link you to before)
  • Related to the above, mentioned the "ridges brought on by ageing" theory (as it was quite widely cited before Requiem came out, including by us)
  • Added the Warrior images that were missing

The only thing left that I'm not really happy with is the "Alternate Forms" section; to be honest, I'm considering removing that entirely and leaving it for the Xenomorph castes page — but that needs a massive tidy-up, and as the Drone/Warrior merge is directly relevant I'd like to get this sorted before I tackle it.

I don't think we really need to worry about adding tabs or anything. The page seems to work OK as it is, and it's not overly long (especially if we're going to be ditching the Alternate Forms section). The only tab I think would be useful would be in the infobox so we can have images of both types, but I've not set that up yet.

As ever, thoughts appreciated.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 11:47, November 1, 2018 (UTC)

Looks good and yeah I agree we should sort this first as its long overdue lol
Also I don't think we need to worry about the contradiction by Requiem since those movies are no longer canon, not to mention that the life-cycle speed was vastly altered. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 12:18, November 1, 2018 (UTC)
I think the Requiem thing is still worth mentioning, but I moved the bit about the age theory to the trivia section.
I think we might nearly be there. Just looking for a good picture of the Aliens design to set up the tabbed images in the infobox, and then I'll start worrying about the monster job of merging everything and updating all the links lol.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 16:00, November 1, 2018 (UTC)

Hello Leigh and Cruentus, I have been aware of you two talking about this topic but I paid no attention to it as it seemed to be more or less pointless and I still believe this, though I have since noticed you are trying to take this beyond conjecture and actually start changing articles so it has now become necessary to state the obvious in full.

To begin with, there would be internal morphological differences between the Drone and Warrior castes that would assist the former with hive construction (internal production of hive webbing) etc. and the latter with greater combat effectiveness such as agility, strength, endurance, resilience and aggression.

Xenomorph XX121 is a highly mutable and quickly maturing species so I don't think that age (beyond the relatively small amount of time between Chestburster and man-sized Xenomorph) would cause a Xenomorph Drone to eventually develop ridges along it's cranium like a Warrior, if that were true they would have just developed the cranial ridges during initial maturation.

Because Xenomorph XX121 is such a highly mutable species, a Drone would quickly and easily be able to metamorphose into a Warrior and vice versa under the direction of a Queen depending on priorities like hive construction/defense/expansion. The age of an individual Xenomorph from any caste is never a contributing factor to morphology except obviously for the relatively quick developmental period of Chestburster to man-sized Xenomorph.

The only Xenomorph that could be said to develop with age is the Queen, though technically such 'maturation' would be more closely related to the development of hive's territory/population.

Clearly the caste dynamics of a Xenomorph hive are similar in many ways to those of eusocial insects such as ants of which most; if not all; species have morphologically and functionally distinct castes of workers, soldiers etc. and in the case of a Xenomorph hive, Drones would be spawned first due to the initial priority of hive construction with Warriors being spawned/metamorphosed later.

I don't know why the hell either of you would want to think otherwise. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 22:45, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

Ok, Freighttrain, this is your very last warning. Like I said before, your next block is going to be final. Stop being rude and antagonistic.
This: "I paid no attention to it as it seemed to be more or less pointless and I still believe this, though I have since noticed you are trying to take this beyond conjecture and actually start changing articles so it has now become necessary to state the obvious in full "I don't know why the hell either of you would want to think otherwise." is not on. If you disagree with the discussion, that is fine but there is no need to be rude about it. I find another commment of yours like this, rude, condescending etc, I will block you, this goes for any comment made since my last visit here, not just recent ones since I have a lot to catch up to and haven't been able to monitor the wiki. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 14:43, December 3, 2018 (UTC)
Well considering that the Drone and Warrior castes are depicted and described as distinct from one another in several offical works, regardless of your or Leigh's opinion on the topic there's no real reason those articles should be merged and especially when it's just you two deciding whether to do away with displaying what is perfectly valid and established lore and on Xenopedia which is the foremost AVP information source, on what is really just a triviality.
I did give quite a full explanation on the differences between the Drone and Warrior castes and I really would have preferred your reponse be regarding any agreements or disgreements with what I have said there. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 14:55, December 3, 2018 (UTC)
That is not the point, you have to be civil when commenting regardless if you give an explanation or not. And to answer, only AVP:E and A:CM from the top of my head at the moment depicted them as seperate castes,  They are also not canon (A:CM was supposed to be but that changed)
AVP:E added and changed concepts simply for gameplay mechanics. Drone has been used interchangebly for either Drone and Warrior. Cameron himself said he used the term warrior to describe the same alien as the one in the first film. They are meant to be one and the same, the difference is age or some other factor but they are appear to be the same type of alien. There was of course meant to be a seperate caste called Drones in aliens but it was either removed or not taken past concept. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 15:15, December 3, 2018 (UTC)
Well either way, that there are two Xenomorph castes that are depicted or described as relatively similar to each other in some official media, does not overcomplicate; to the point of having to merge the two articles; the amount of information one would have to consider when deciding for themself whether or not they are two seperate Xenomorph castes and especially not when I have already categorised every conceived of variety of Xenomorph in what is now a definitive classification system that you (and anyone else) are very welcome to review and comment on.
If that is something you and Leigh are really serious about going ahead with then at least make a poll so that others who have an opinion on the topic can vote. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 15:28, December 3, 2018 (UTC)
Freight, your blog is not the official source of information on the species here, it is your opinion, so the fact you have that blog does not have any bearing whatsoever on this dicussion or articles. While this is a community and voting can be optional, it can't go against what is official. Leigh and I would not be considering this if it was merely our opinion, we are going by sources. Anyone is free to discuss the topic here, there is no barrier preventing anyone else from commenting here. Official media does not have much weight if the content is non canon and while that can be said for content that says they are one and the same, such as AVP2, we should then go by what sources such as directors say and cameron considers them same creature, merely with a different design, which lets be honest, is something that is not new to franchise. Since Leigh has been working on this awhile, he will know best the sources he is going by, so lets wait for his response.--PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 15:50, December 3, 2018 (UTC)
I was referring to the list of Xenomorph castes article, not my blog post. Now I can see that those sources you mentioned could be taken into consideration if one was considering whether or not the Drone and Warrior are seperate Xenomorph castes, though so it is known I am personally more interested in the development of AVP canon and lore in the sense that it is hard science fiction and should draw from it's basis in reality to determine what is actually canon, meaning that the Drone and Warrior are best as two seperate Xenomorph castes in the same way as worker and soldier ants.
This is what is best for the franchise and not some comment James Cameron made decades ago or whenever that was. That there is more diversity in Xenomorph caste and hive dynamics can only do good for the development of AVP media and this is basically my standpoint on most topics and I have sought to display this as clearly and definitively as possible in my blog posts and elsewhere because I really dislike the quality of recent AVP media in not only the movies but also the novels and comics etc.
I understand that you and Leigh may want to just go along with what may seem to some to be the most canonical in terms of whatever filmmaker said what about this or in what computer game or wherever else something was mentioned, but obviously there is so much possible conjecture it is clear to me that such instances that you or Leigh or whoever might interpret as highest canon are actually irrelevant or even detrimental in terms of what is best for the development of the AVP franchise and I have organised what information there is to show what is best.
If nothing else just make a poll as those always seem to get attention from Xenopedia users since no one other than myself has commented on this conversation between you and Leigh yet and as it has been this long I doubt anyone else would. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 16:16, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

New blog post

Hello Cruentus, I have recently posted a new blog on Xenomorph varieties that I interpret as being canonical and canonically feasible that you might find interesting.

I also rename several Xenomorph varieties to be more inline with names such as Praetorian, Palatine etc. as well as speculate on some Xenomorph hive and caste dynamics that neatly tie together many of my own Xenomorph life cycle and societal structure ideas that I've also described there.

And I have also made significant updates to the List of Xenomorph castes article in case that's what you had been waiting for before you had a look at it. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 19:09, November 25, 2018 (UTC)

As long as you didn't change the xenomorph names in the main article, as we go by official names if it is available.--PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 14:31, December 3, 2018 (UTC)
No of course not and if I wanted to do something like that I would ask Leigh or yourself before doing so. Though that doesn't mean my renames don't kick the <faecal matter> out of their official names. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 14:41, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

Do you believe my blog posts are threatening or otherwise offensive to people?

Hi Cruentus, I don't know why you decided to delete the last paragraph of my reply to BlackGold 1220 in the comment section of Xeno Master's blog post.

He clearly has a lot to say and I really think that his comments would be better spent regarding the content of my blog posts, which is why I concluded my reply with the suggestion that he do so.

Did it seem to you that I was threatening or being rude to him by suggesting he have a look at them? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 12:39, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

No, there is no threat or offense, I removed it because I have already told to stop advertising it all the time, if you wish people to see the blog then maybe just bump it a little. Or at the very least ask but within reason, because a lot of your messages to people are you asking them to look at your blog. There is more to this wiki than your blog, you don't need to be bringing it up everywhere you go. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:17, December 9, 2018 (UTC)
Ok do you know were Leigh has been lately, I haven't seen him on Xenopedia for almost a month now (except very quickly near the end of last month) and I don't think he had given any sort of notice for his absence either. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 13:31, December 9, 2018 (UTC)
Not specifically but he is on a break at the moment but he will be back at some point. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:04, December 13, 2018 (UTC)
Do you know why he didn't give any prior notice of it though, I don't know if he usually does though I think I recall the last couple of times he did. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 18:15, December 13, 2018 (UTC)
Could be any reason really, not enough time or something he had attend to etc. Personal lives can be hectic. I can understand it since I have had to take time off suddenly without notice. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:52, December 13, 2018 (UTC)
Well I certainly hope he's OK! Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 22:48, December 13, 2018 (UTC)

User report: Cross7

Cross7 has continued adding kill count awards to trivia sections on other wikis in spite of receiving numerous warnings for such behavior. Based on the facts, I recommend that his ban here be set to infinite; in all likelihood, he will reoffend. --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 23:26, December 18, 2018 (UTC)
I am aware, he was warned on another wiki I am admin of. However, unless it is absolutely necessary and if it is really warranted, we don't usually ban users based on their behavior on another wiki though it is at a admin's discretion to take into account their behavior on other wikis if they are being warned or banned here. I will take it into consideration however, but either way, anything he does can be undone and a permanent ban would be the next step anyway, since I had already warned him about the kill count thing. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:52, December 19, 2018 (UTC)

Armdx3

Hi there Cruentus. A user named Armdx3 keeps putting false edits on articles. A primary example of this is Freya's Prospect, the game shows the colony was clearly destroyed, but he says it's fate was ambiguous. (Whatweare (talk) (Contribs) 23:27, December 25, 2018 (UTC))

I have already left a message on his talk page about some of his edits but his reversion on the freya's prospect is justified by the fact that the "destroyed" status in question is not showing up in the infobox, thus making it pointless. Some infoboxes just don't allow certain changes. However the page itself does mention that Dark destroyed it so it not a big issue that the infobox lacks that info. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:00, December 26, 2018 (UTC)

Very well. As for Werebereus's complaint against me, that incident involving vandalism on another wiki really should not be brought up here, as most wikis dislike issues for another wiki flaring up. Furthermore, the incident was one where I was trying to adopt the wiki, because Werebereus had left the wiki for well over a year. Because a large amount of pages were only a few sentences, I assumed therefore that they were spam. Furthermore, the pages I marked as candidates for deletion did not have the mandated 300 characters that most wikis require, which is the definition of spam that I used. As for the incident involving the other user, I never ever asked for that user's password, let alone demand it as Werebereus claimed, and I am certain that had I done anything like that, I would certainly have been globally banned. I am innocent of his false charges, and what he says I did on another wiki should not apply here. Thank you. (Whatweare (talk) (Contribs) 01:09, December 26, 2018 (UTC))

As you said, it is from another wiki and it is only certain circumstances that a user will be banned for actions on another wiki. You will only be judged on your actions here, that being said, while I don't know anything about the subject on the other wiki to judge whether the pages should be classed a spam/deleted etc, you should really have taken it to the talk page there first before you placed those categories or at least left something in the summary. Communication is vital for wikis, remember that and so is the rules found in the policy. Also pages that are short are not necessarily spam, just stubs. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:36, December 26, 2018 (UTC)

Keep An Eye Out

User Whatweare is a troublemaker. They have vandalize another wiki I was on/administrating by placing perfectly fine articles in the "candidates for deletion" category and have even demanded passwords from other users. They've tried to use supposed leverage from higher staff (that they didn't actually have) as leverage to try and intimidate me for unblocking them after I banned them for trying to takeover the wiki and delete pages.

You can see his record of labeling perfectly valid pages as spam here with a little scrolling down. One admin to another, I would just go ahead and ban him but if that seems too far, just keep an eye on him.

Thank you! Werebereus - ಠ_ಠ 23:58, December 25, 2018 (UTC)


We don't usually ban someone for actions on another wiki unless necessary or warranted, though if that member does cause trouble then an admin can take information from another wiki into account regarding a decision on whether to warn or block said member. I thank you for the heads up though and I shall indeed be keeping an eye. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:07, December 26, 2018 (UTC)

Potential sock

Hi there. I have a feeling that this user https://avp.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:WrathoftheArrow is a sock account of Armdx3 given that both have a tendency to get into edit wars and both try to remove the official Wiki pop up thing that appears automatically every time a new user shows up. I am asking for an investigation into the matter. (Whatweare (talk) (Contribs) 00:54, December 31, 2018 (UTC))

If you really want an investigation then I suggest contacting community central about it, follow their instructions and they should be able to help. That being said, you are going to need to provide some evidence that their behaviors are the same, like their edit history and patterns. I'm asuming you mean Armdx77 not Armdx3  right? --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:18, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

Yes Armdx77, not the other one. I will ask Community Central about it. (Whatweare (talk) (Contribs) 01:19, December 31, 2018 (UTC))

Chaos

C whats goig on here? People are getting blocked, warned, arguments... Im at a loss of words haha. If you need help just say, i feel incredibly bad that you have to put up with this crap. Hope Leigh gets here soon to assist

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 01:47, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

Appreciete the concern Alex but everything is handled. Folks have just been editing warring, deleting/merging pages, inserting nonsense into pages. They ignored the warnings and thus were blocked. Leigh is still away for the time being but he will be back soon. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:58, December 31, 2018 (UTC)


No worries C, you know im here to help, ha it's why I'm not doing any Seegson edits and stuff.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 16:01, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

Lag

Hi there. Whenever I visit your talk page, given how long this thing is, there is a lot of lag. Could you do something to fix this? (Whatweare (talk) (Contribs) 03:18, December 31, 2018 (UTC))

Lockheed and Boeing

C i was wondering, as Lockheed Martin and Boeing manufactured the F-22. Would I be able to make a page based upon both companies? In the real mlife catagory?

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 16:09, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

I will get back to you on that but I am not sure we go about making company pages for every real life thing on this wiki, well as least I think we don't, more than a little drunk at the moment so I will have get back to you on it. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 00:53, January 1, 2019 (UTC)


Well they are real world companies, along the fact that the F-22 is a confirmed site in this universe from the images.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 15:46, January 1, 2019 (UTC)


Hello C, I might as well create a page for both Lockheed Martin and Boeing as the F-22 from the movie does well.. say F-22. Feel free to inspect or remove it as you deem so

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 18:01, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

I said I will get back to you on it, don't be impatient. besides, a page needs to have a decent amount of info to justify having its own article. There is already a page for smaller companies so no seperate should be necessary. Anyway like I said, I will get back to you on it. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:41, January 8, 2019 (UTC)

I have more info, Weyland corp bought out both companies on April 3rd 2032 noted here --> Weyland acquires Northrop Grumman, Boeing, BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin. These major acquisitions significantly bolsters multinational defense, security, and aerospace technology holdings.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 22:22, January 10, 2019 (UTC)

Natural Xenomorphs

Would you be amused if a work came out revealing that there were naturally occurring Xenomorphs, especially if it threw out the David created the Xenomorphs controversy? (Whatweare (talk) (Contribs) 22:55, January 1, 2019 (UTC))

Hello again Whatweare, on your comment about Xenomorph XX121 being a naturally occurring creature, one possibly implied theory regarding this that I recall is this species being shown as natural predators of Xenomorph XX121 on their hypothesised homeworld.
Though the context in which they were depicted could possibly be interpreted as simply an in-universe; or otherwise; illustrative interpretation of Dr. Waidslaw Orona's conjectural monologue that was featured in Aliens: Theory of Alien Propagation, and not an actual in-universe species.
Though it was likely intented to be a look at actual in-universe species and occurrences as a confirmative visual parallel to Dr. Orona's conjecture, what do you think? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 05:48, January 9, 2019 (UTC)


What the heck are you talking about? (Whatweare (talk) (Contribs) 06:41, January 9, 2019 (UTC))

In Aliens: Theory of Alien Propagation, Dr. Orona says 'At home, the aliens would have any number of natural enemies.' in the same panel that shows the unnamed Xenomorph predators that I mentioned and this would imply coevolution i.e. Xenomorph XX121 as a result of natural evolution on their hypothetical homeworld, according to Dr. Orona's conjecture. Does that clarify my reference for you? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 06:49, January 9, 2019 (UTC)

Alien news

Hi there. Would like to report that Amanda Ripley could very well be starring in a slew of media this year. https://www.pcgamer.com/alien-teaser-hints-at-another-amanda-ripley-game/ (Whatweare (talk) (Contribs) 22:00, January 6, 2019 (UTC))

Xenomorph Varieties NavBox

Hello Cruentus, I have just created a NavBox for all known varieties of Xenomorphs and Xenomorph like creatures in a similar style to the List of Xenomorph castes article.

It is a good faith edit Freight, but stop for now as something that large and on many pages should probably be discussed first, plus it may be redundant if all one needs is a  "see: list of Xenomorph castes." Do not add any more for now. I want to see what Leigh thinks first. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 09:57, January 7, 2019 (UTC)
Ok and I can revert those articles if need be so you and Leigh don't have to worry about that, I have also created or updated NavBoxes for all of the USCMC and Yautja equipment, weapons and vehicles in the same style as I have them organised on their articles.
Also could you rename my blog post so that the title uses the singular and not plural form of 'Xenomorphs and 'Creatures', thank you. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 10:03, January 7, 2019 (UTC)


I've also just added a NavBox for all companies and corporations. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 19:32, January 7, 2019 (UTC)
I said not to do any more for the time being. Wait until Leigh gets back please. When so many pages are edited with something that may or may not be necessary, it means editors have to go through all those pages to fix them. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 01:44, January 8, 2019 (UTC)
I mentioned before that I could just revert those edits if need be so you and Leigh don't have to worry about that and I find that NavBoxes at the end of articles are more visible and concise to readers than category pages or even articles featuring those lists.
Also I think Alex might have wanted to ask you about the definition of the activities in the infoboxes on the articles of some companies, JCB, Caterpillar, Seegson and the Smaller companies & entities article. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 02:47, January 8, 2019 (UTC)
Like I said, I rather you not do any more for now, it doesn't matter if you will revert them or not. It all needs to be discussed first, in my opinion we could use some navboxes and I think it is a good idea but I think Leigh needs to have some input too since he has done a lot of templates for this wiki I believe and will know if it is really necessary or if it will affect the wiki in some way, as it is a lot of links.
Why didn't Alex ask me himself? --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:06, January 8, 2019 (UTC)
Hello again Cruentus and thank you for correcting the typos in my blog post and yes I'll see what Leigh thinks of it before applying any more NavBoxes to articles.
And with Alex, I think that the companies and corporations NavBox I made spurred him into action a bit and he mentioned to me in Hive Chat that he thinks some of the definitions in the activites section of the infoboxes on the articles of a few companies was incorrect, though I did mention to him a few times to ask you before editing the those.
He told me that 'Industrial equipment' sounded more appropriate to him than 'Industrial engineering' in the activites section of the Watatsumi and Mühler & Milland infoboxes, I haven't researched it but I didn't see any reason to change the definition there. I think it was just those two and If you ask Alex then he would probably be able to tell you why he thinks that. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 13:59, January 8, 2019 (UTC)
Oh my god, engineering is ONE catagory I.E you theres no sch thing as chemical engineering. Its not pronouced that. The fact that you're not listening to me is frustrating. It's equipment because thats what they make, the resonator is a piece of equipment, the forklift falls under machinery and tools again fall under equipment. Engineering is something as a whole mainly making one think such as steel. 
Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 22:44, January 8, 2019 (UTC)
Hello Alex, if you're talking about 'Industrial engineering' there then I had a look at it and it is an actual field that involves optimisation of production efficiency etc. and that also would feasibly include the implementation and manufacture of goods to increase productivity. So the activity section definition of 'industrial engineering' for the infoboxes of the Watatsumi and Mühler & Milland articles was probably correct to begin with and did not need revision.
And if 'Industrial equipment' were a more appropriate definition as you believed then it would be most correctly defined as 'Industrial equipment manufacture'. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 05:24, January 9, 2019 (UTC)


That whole infobox you made is a mess, you put GeoFund twice in the legal actvities and put Seegson credit services as a link, you use dashes which makes it look awful. I'm sorry but I dislike it. You put manufacture, istead of the correct term manufacture(rs). Industrial engineering, i'd prefer to put as "Industrial Equipment / Machinery Manufacturers" as in megering the machiner and rquipment together into one. You put san crisotbel medical instead of San cristobal Dental.  You have synthetics manufacture instead of synthetic manufacturer, and I do not ike the smaller fonts on Weyland corp / industries and the Yutani corp.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 22:21, January 10, 2019 (UTC)

No Alex, the companies NavBox I have made is not a mess it is actually organised quite well and GeoFund Investor is not listed twice in the same category, there is a long hyphen seperator between thoses two entries corresponding to the one seperating the two seperate categories in the category box to the left of it and you should have had a look at the activities list on the GeoFund Investor article.
As the as the company definitions are listed in the 'activities' section of the infobox, 'goods etc. manufacture' (verb) is more contextually correct than 'goods etc. manufacturer' (noun) and I've already told you and explained why in a reply to you that the entries in some of those infoboxes did not need revision and you don't even mention that in your response there.
San Cristobal Medical is only listed as that and not San Cristobel Dental because that is how it was listed in the Smaller Companies & Entities article and it still is, maybe you should have a look at that articles history and have a yip at whoever listed it as that instead of behaving like an insufferable little ignoramus toward myself.
Please look at and improve the quality of your own work and communication before trying to censure someone else about their's just because it never occurred to you to make a definitive NavBox. Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 05:00, January 11, 2019 (UTC)
While Alex is a frustrating individul who really needs to start knowing how things work (specially since he was recently blocked on another wiki)and will be told more about his behavior after this, you were told not to insult anyone or break the rules anymore as you were on your last chance, you broke that and now you're blocked permanently. A pity too as I thought you were starting to behave but you just had to call Alex a "insufferable little ignoramus", it doesn't matter if he is ignorant, you don't call people names, not here. You should have held your tongue. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 12:06, January 11, 2019 (UTC)

Real world companies in companies NavBox

Hello Cruentus, do you think it is appropriate to list real world companies that have been featured in Alien, Predator and AvP media in the companies NavBox, at the moment only Caterpillar is listed there. It might be best if I make a seperate NavBox for real world companies, what do you think and do you know at all when Leigh will return? Freighttrain, The (talk) (Contribs) 18:05, January 10, 2019 (UTC)

RE: 'The' on companies

Actually forget that, youre right lol, I looked on wikipedia, forget about that. Whoops, anyways, seegson is a corporation and there are logs that call itself 'Seegson Corporation' so it is also known as that. I am deeply sorry about my mistake, my bad C. I'll make note that this time C

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 19:47, January 11, 2019 (UTC)


I'm sorry to hear Freight got banned, he did do a lot of good, and yes bad as well. I will defeinetly behaving now C, I love being here. I will be upping my game, well I know how to reference now etc. But I am sorry about my mistakes. I know me and Frieght have fallen out but man to see him go is quite sad, well I dont know if i'll go that far as you did Perm ban him for calling me yet another name.

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 19:50, January 11, 2019 (UTC)


He was not merely perma-banned just because he insulted you, it was because he was on his last warning while doing so, three strike policy. I'm glad to hear you are going to try and improve yourself. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 00:28, January 12, 2019 (UTC)


Thanks I will be doing. I will be fixing other infoboxes on here that still require attention, say is Freight banned permanently?

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 14:42, January 12, 2019 (UTC)

Removal Of 1st Warning

Well here comes the lengthy and complicated and time consuming paragraph.

As you are an administrator and the warning has been up there and removed by me and re-instated by you. I'd like it t be removed. It served it's purpose of me going behind peoples back along the fact that it serves no purpose to me anyore as I have apparently have something like 3? verbal warnings in which only 1 is on display on my profile. I don't know why it has to remain there despite it being almost a year old. It merges into my infobox which looks messy. You've warned Freight countless times yet there is NO warning on his profile?

Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs)

Alex, believe me when I say this but its not normally supposed to be there that long, when I used to give official warning tags, it would only supposed to be there for two weeks or a month, however, Leigh said it was to be left there indefinitely and while I could overrule him, I would rather it be discussed first. So please do not remove it. As for the reason why Freight never got one, simple. because he actually wanted one. I won't give editors who have behavior problems what they want, that being said, I should have probably done so anyway but I would felt like I was doing what he wanted. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:41, January 19, 2019 (UTC)
Ok alright not a problem, its just embarrassing to see that after a year. 
Seegson Executive Alex (talk) (Contribs) 21:27, January 24, 2019 (UTC)

Good day!

Hello there, I’d like to report an issue with my editing capabilities, earlier today about 10am Scottish time I was able to make some edits on the recent activity page, but now I am unable to make edits, I was about to correct a mispelt word on the Xenomorph page but it says I am blocked? Now I am new to fandom as I solely work on Wikipedia most of the time. Is there any chance you could help user Cruentus?

Gibralatar32 (talk) (Contribs) 16:20, January 28, 2019 (UTC)

Welcome messages are not meant to be removed, it comes with ghd links to the policy which users need to read so they don't make any mistakes. As for it saying you're blocked, that would only happen if you are using the same ip address as someone is blocked. Also keep in mind that some pages are locked to new members. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 16:29, January 28, 2019 (UTC)

Hm thank you user! Appreciate the help, I’ll see if the network is bugged. I’ll use my computer at hone instead of at work.

Gibralatar32 (talk) (Contribs) 16:35, January 28, 2019 (UTC)

Socks

Hey there, I just took the liberty of reverting this for you. That's actually his 4th account here (1, 2, 3, 4). Cheers. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 19:53, February 4, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Smurf.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 20:03, February 4, 2019 (UTC)
Yes, thank you. I know you had to deal with him yourself. You would think after being permabanned for threatening to use a sockpuppet account that he would learn from it, but no, he did it here over a mere two week block. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 02:54, February 5, 2019 (UTC)

"Janet" Daniels

Howdo - thanks for the welcome. I'm trying to redirect Janet "Danny" Daniels to Daniels for the reasons I've already outlined on the talk page. But the wiki is identifying it as vandalism and not letting me (or, equally possible, I'm doing it wrong and screwing it up). Any thoughts? Thanks ElectricWarlock (talk) (Contribs) 19:47, February 6, 2019 (UTC)

To be fair, I am not entirely convinced her name is Janet myself, I only allowed it on the page I did find some sources on it, whether or not those sources are reliable is up for debate but it was all I could find at the time. Let me see what my fellow admin has to say as I would personally like his input on this as well. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 04:13, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Kane ref

The ref itself just sends us to a poster magazine page from the wiki that makes no mention of the statement. I wouldve thought of all things that would have referenced Kane not being a capable captain it wouldve been the source from the quote that states just that directly above his personality section. I didn't think id need to consult an admin. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 10:29, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

I see your point, I think maybe the ref is just merely pointing out that the magazine itself is where the statement came from. Kind of like how we use the movies as sources on this wiki as there is no chapter number, time stamp or exact detail, it is merely put as "Alien: Covenant" for example. I will message Leigh about this, in the meantime, you can remove it if you want for the time being, as it can always be put back. Generally speaking activities such as page merging, page deleting (unless it is a stub or vandalism) and removing sources should be discussed as they have more impact on the wiki. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 16:35, February 7, 2019 (UTC)
If the magazine citation gave a page number, I'd be more inclined to keep it, but I don't have that publication and so I can't really check or update it. I might change the reference to the novel (as is quoted just above) but I don't have my copy handy right now to find the page number. In the mean time I don't see the harm in deleting it, but then I don't see the harm in keeping it either.
Basically, I'm not fussed personally, but I'll add a better citation when I get the chance :P --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 18:13, February 7, 2019 (UTC)
In that case i'll keep the ref there and add another one from the Alien novel on top of it. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 22:10, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Predator

Please change the ultimate predator page back to the assassin predator page. Reason: I am working on predator 5 and I will have the Ultimate predator as a different type of predator. --MikeChristie13 (talk) (Contribs) 23:53, February 7, 2019 (UTC)

Until "Predator 5" is released, we will use Ultimate, as that seems to be the name used in all merchandising.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 13:56, February 8, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't know where to get information and wanted people to add to the page to help . I wanted that page on wiki and one about the clan leader. I wanted the page created so I made it with the hopes that other members would add to it--MikeChristie13 (talk) (Contribs) 15:55, February 9, 2019 (UTC)

Hive chat

Hey, Cruentus — can we talk in private? It's sorta important. --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 21:21, February 9, 2019 (UTC)

Sure, you will have to let me know when you are on though, just go into hive chat when you are on and I will be there. I am pretty sure I know what this is about and it has crossed my mind and I even mentioned it to Leigh. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 02:26, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
I'm in. --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 18:47, February 10, 2019 (UTC)
I missed it sorry, I can't be on here all day waiting so you will just have to tell me what time you will be on, by your timezone and I will see what I can do. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 12:03, February 11, 2019 (UTC)
GMT. --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 13:28, February 11, 2019 (UTC)
Ok. I'm on now. if you wish to chat but if you gone, I will try coming back on the same time you were on yesterday. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:40, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Ditto

Hey, Cruentus. Meet me in the hive chat. --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 12:02, February 22, 2019 (UTC)

Again. --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 17:32, March 8, 2019 (UTC)
I will try and be in chat on sunday at 19:00 give or take. I think I know what it is about as I am aware of it, at least if it is what I think you want to tell me. Also regarding our manual of style, you have our permision to use it on jurassic park wikia so long as attribution is given, we don't mind helping out other wikis afterall. :) --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 02:07, March 9, 2019 (UTC)
Sounds good, but what timezone are you in? And thanks. --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 14:50, March 9, 2019 (UTC)
To be honest, if you're just going to be using our policy pages as a guide to work out what rules you might need over there, I'm not even sure you need to bother attributing it to us. Most of it's common sense stuff, it's not like any meaningful research went in to it :) --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 16:55, March 9, 2019 (UTC)

Might be the same as yours but lets call it 19:00 GMT if it is easier. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 18:59, March 10, 2019 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Dear The Cruentus,

It has come to my notice upon seeing a familiar set of blogs once removed from the zoids wiki from a globally banned member resurface under a sockpuppet account. Considering he was very much active in your wiki and was firstly banned here in September by you, I've come to give a heads up. His current 1 day old account has already been removed but we suspect more to follow.

To spark memory the original account name was FreightTrain_The.

I would keep a heads up of any wikis being reposted from this individual.

I have already warned Carnotaurus of the JP wiki.

Hope this doesn't distress you, and that you have a good day.

I Will Chew On Your Bones (talk) (Contribs) 17:35, March 15, 2019 (UTC)

I know your message was to Cruentus, but thanks for the warning. So far FreightTrain doesn't seem to have returned here since his original block; if he's now been blocked globally things have obviously escalated. We'll keep an eye out.--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 09:54, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up, best report the sockpuppet to central as then that account will also be globally blocked. We will defintely do the same if we see his accounts and warn any wiki he has been on. Which reminds me, the gundam wiki should be warned if they haven't already. Zoids and Jurassic is already aware, but not sure on the Gundam one.
@Leigh, escalated is an understatement, apparently he was grooming children and making highly inappropriate blog comments on the Jurassic park wiki, they blocked him and reported him to central. I hear he is on reddit curently. Personally I think any site should be warned if there is paedophile on the site. Hopefully staff there will be watching him if not outright banning him. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:17, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

Chat

Hey, Cruentus. Mind joining the live chat? --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 14:51, April 15, 2019 (UTC)

Due to me logging on at different times, you may as well tell me or leave a message on some other wiki that I am on as this is going to be a tedious waiting game for both of us. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 13:05, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Hive Page Titles

A while back, Varg went through and changed almost all the specific Hive page titles from things like Hive (Sevastopol) to Sevastopol Hive. I've been on the fence about undoing it all since; I'm wondering if you think the new format might be preferable. The former is the standard we've used as long as I've been here, but I can see advantages and disadvantages to both styles. Do you have any thoughts?--Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 19:24, April 25, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, been a bit busy lately. Well I would go by the if its not broke, don't fix it regarding that its how we always used to do it and if there is no problem with it, then it probably should have remained the old way but if you think that the newer versions are better then I am fine with you going for that. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:35, April 29, 2019 (UTC)
No worries!
OK, Had is of the same opinion that it was better before, so I'll get around to reverting it in the near future.
As an aside — I'll be away for a week or so from tomorrow, so I just wanted to give you a heads up that I won't be around. Should still be able to get emails through Galaxy if you need me urgently, but I probably won't be able to get on Xenopedia :) --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 11:56, May 2, 2019 (UTC)

Titles in links

I already messaged Leigh about this but I suspect he'll be offline over the weekend, so I thought I'd ask you instead. Do we ever include a character's professional title/rank in a link to their page? For instance:

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Which is correct? --JoeyRains2000 (talk) (Contribs) 04:35, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Well the pages as they are do not have the "Dr" or "Detective" in it so it is likely its not mentioned. After all Ripley's page doesn't LT in it and Hicks doesn't have Corporal. At least as far I can remember at the top of my head anyway. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 11:14, May 18, 2019 (UTC)

Wiki manager introduction

Hey Cruentus! My name is Marcus, and I'm the Fandom Wiki Manager assigned to Xenopedia! As a Wiki Manager, I am here to help and support the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff (not to take over or usurp you). If you ever have a question or issue relating to the wiki, templates, designs, etc., don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page! TimeShade (Talk) 22:06, May 20, 2019 (UTC)

Warrior armblades

Hello! I am wondering if you could clearify for me what the sentence i edited meant? I may have gotten it wrong but to me it seems that you imply that in aliens some aliens dont have arm blades, i see this as incorrect, however i might just be confused here. Any clearification would be amazing. JDHH3Rr0r (talk) (Contribs) 16:14, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

The phrase clearly says that some do have armblades while others don't which is true, the one that took Newt did have armblades. The paragraph was clear on this. I don't see what is so confusing about this. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 16:21, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

when saying that some do, i thought that it was exclusivley mentioning aliens from aliens and not avp, i believe that is what i got wrong, sorry JDHH3Rr0r (talk) (Contribs) 23:45, May 25, 2019 (UTC)

in-universe

Hi Cruentus!

I noticed you edited the Plaguieris Praepotens page to remove the notes which included Alex White, David and the Black Goo. I understand these changes were made to keep it in-universe.

Would it be possible for me to re-edit the page explaining David's involvement with the PP? Or do I need to provide in-universe evidence for these changes? I have chatlogs with Alex clarifying the information if that helps?

Please sign your posts. Articles are meant to be in-universe and so infomation should flow in that respect. However, trivia sections on articles can note behind the scenes information. So if you want to put that info about what Alex White said, then it would need to be placed in a trivia section, also add some citation for it if you can. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:44, May 31, 2019 (UTC)

Drone/Warrior

Just a quick update on the seemingly interminable Drone/Warrior merge — I've found another source that confirms the name Drone and Warrior (and indeed Soldier) are all inter-changeable and refer to the same basic adult form. It's the Weyland-Yutani Archives feature found on the (bear with me) Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem Blu-ray. I know, the film's awful and you probably hate it just as much as me, but this infobank is actually quite well-done and informative (clearly wasn't put together by the people who made the movie :P). It's entry on the Drone confirms they're referred to by all three names. Just wanted to let you know there's now at least a couple of sources backing this up.

One day I might actually get around to completing this merger :P --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 19:51, June 26, 2019 (UTC)

Always wanted to take a look at those features, they weren't on my special edition copy. Also don't worry about using them as a source, I had to use the behind the scenes on that film as sources for citing the predalien page (the whole young queen thing).
So yes its completely fine what you used AVP2 as a source, you are of course totally fired and will never work in the AVP town again and must wear the "I love Requiem hat". LOL. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 17:09, June 27, 2019 (UTC)
Please... Please don't make me wear the hat :'(
:P --Buck-ark LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 09:13, July 5, 2019 (UTC)

Need some help from you

This is BattleshipMan, the admin of Jurassic Park wiki. We need your help on the user you previously blocked name Varg2000. He has been disruptive and appears to be mentally ill. He is harassing the admins of the Jurassic Park wiki (me, Carnotaur, Dinosaurus1 included). We tried to make a case to the staff, but no luck. We need your help to make our case against BattleshipMan (talk) (Contribs) 19:08, July 4, 2019 (UTC)

I see, well what is it you want me to do exactly? because other than confirming that his behavior on here was indeed poor. I don't see how I could help other than confirming to staff about his behavior. If the member has indeed been harrassing you then all you need to is block, and if he is wiki hounding you guys then you need to show it to staff as soon as possibe. I will take a look at your wiki though if you wish and see what it is he did. --PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 19:34, July 4, 2019 (UTC)
Here is the evidence to this.
https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/wiki/User%3AVarg2000
https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/f/p/3133623658086654825
There you go. BattleshipMan (talk) (Contribs) 19:40, July 4, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, right I checked his wall, I'm guessing the t-rex size thing is one of things you were talking about? He has got an attitude problem but in fairness, I don't think Crashbash helped either, calling someone a fanboy in an insulting manner counts as being uncivil and is just as against the rules on most wikias as harrassment. When it comes to dealing with people, admins needs hold on to their emotions as best as they can, lest they become no better than the person causing trouble.
This thread here https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:90898 has Varg being persistent with his views but Crashbash did again say fanboy in a negative manner which is not the best way to handle things. However, if these two threads are the only evidence, I can't really see any true harrassment or intimidation other than him being seemingly glib/smug, (I am trying to read it quickly mind you) in order for it to be proper or at least serious harrassment, he would have to be posting this stuff repeatedly on your walls or in a blog and cross wiki hounding, but since these are on his wall, the admins could have just ignored him at anytime instead of engaging. However, him bringing up the thread again when it was previously closed does show a disregard for others and can be considered baiting by bringing a subject up that others previous closed.
What I need to see is evidence of his cross wiki behavior, also that second link you posted doesn't work, there is an error unfortunately. I definitely know Varg is not a good apple due to his behavior here and plagiarism.--PredTriLaser The Cruentus(Talk) 20:25, July 4, 2019 (UTC)

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