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Covenant Short Films
Hi there, Kingsman.
I see you've been adding some info on the various Covenant short films to the wiki. Thanks for helping out!
I just wanted to let you know, I'm planning on creating a catch-all page for the Covenant shorts in the near future (I've already started, but not quite finished, one for the Prometheus short films). As these promotional movies are so short (and, in some cases, light on plot), it was decided a single page for each prequel movie that covers all of the related short films was the best approach, rather than having a bunch of pages with potentially very little on them. I thought I'd let you know in case you were considering making articles for any of these movies yourself — I'd suggest holding off until I've got the collective page set up, then you can add to that as you see fit.
I'm just waiting on a copy of the Blu-ray so I can actually get started on the Covenant short films page :)
- That's actually a relief. I think Luke Scott has been rather under-mentioned despite seemingly making a huge amount of the viral shorts for Covenant. The Alien Covenant Prologue page vexed me a little at first because it only covered the two main ones, but I guess its understandable. I'd love to see how the formatting for that goes though, when citing info from one of the viral shorts.
- Also, I notice some of the pages don't have any citations when summarizing history and whatnot. Is that just an oversight?
- Thanks for checking in. As you can see I get fanboy chills for a lot of the new Alien content and I can't wait until I got the cash to pony up for the just-released Omnibus of Life and Death. --Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 19:26, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
- I'm fairly certain that when I created the Prologue page, they were the only two Covenant shorts that had been released — I remember them coming out in the run-up to the film, but I think I'm right in saying Advent and the Walter promo were only released on the Blu-ray? As I haven't actually started the consolidated page, I haven't really looked into it their release history yet, but that would be why the Prologue page covers Last Supper and The Crossing and not the others. Like I said, I intend to put all four films in one article, I just need to buy the Blu-ray so I can do it lol. (I intend to pick it up in the near future!)
- Which pages are you referring to re:the lack of citations? I hadn't put any references on the first draft of the Prometheus shorts page, but I've since been adding some citations for the films. It's still not quite finished, but I'm working on it.
- Regarding citations I was talking more about the David page, which seemed to rely a lot on movie info, which was probably why the users didn't see the need to cite all that much.
- The Meet Walter thing was definitely released before the film came out. You can even check it now on Youtube and see the date that those videos were uploaded was before the film came out, especially on the Alien Anthology channel, which seems to be an official Fox channel. I think that also goes for the Crew Messages videos with Oram, Daniels, etc. Also for that She Won't Go Quietly short.
- Maybe you'd like to include mention of the Meet Walter teaser, because while it does tease footage from the Meet Walter vid, it also uses a quote by Walter that I don't recall was ever in one of the other shorts or in the film. Here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyh2Qqdc6M
- Ah, I see! As a general rule, if something is obvious from the movies, I don't consider it necessary to reference it. Only if something's more obscure or from a source other than the films do I start adding citations. But to be perfectly honest, I'm not a huge fan of Ridley's prequel films, so I've never really had any serious involvement in the pages relating to them.
- OK, thanks for the info. As I said, I've not had a serious look at the Covenant shorts yet, but I'll keep all that in mind when I start compiling the page. Are those crew messages and She Won't Go Quietly found on the Blu-ray, or are they exclusively online?
- Also, while we're on the subject, do you know of any additional Prometheus shorts beyond the four I've already listed on the Prometheus short films page? I know there was a teaser version of the David short, released through WonderCon 2012, which I've mentioned, but I haven't been able to actually find it online anywhere.-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:38, September 22, 2018 (UTC)
- Ah okay. I'll keep that in mind about citations, then.
- I couldn't answer that unfortunately. I do not own a Blu-Ray player and have yet to buy any Blu-Rays at all, so I could neither confirm nor deny.
- Finally got an answer for you. There apparently is one more vid. There was a website teased at the end of the Prometheus film's credits which would lead you to uncovering a 27-second vid of sir Peter Weyland entitled Thus Spoke Zarathustra. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDjk68_MLNI --Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 20:48, September 26, 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. I was actually aware of that — it's simply the beginning of the full version of the TED video. It seems they were originally released separately, before being combined on the Blu-ray. Not quite sure yet how best to tackle that on the page.
- There's also this Audi Lunar Quattro commercial which you can mention in the upcoming Alien: Covenant shorts section. It's obviously non-canon due to two things: The date mentioned is the date the crew woke up, and Pvt. Cole was long dead by the time the Xenomorph made it onto the ship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fEmCnStgac --Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 18:33, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. I'm not sure it really "counts" to the same degree as the other clips made specifically to co-exist with the film, but it definitely deserves a mention.
- Good news is I've finished with all the Alien documentary stuff, which means Prometheus is next. I was planning on making one more run through the Prometheus short films page to see what else needs doing, and I've got the Furious Gods article to overhaul, but then I'll be on to creating a page for the Covenant shorts. Getting there, slowly!-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 08:59, October 4, 2018 (UTC)
- That's great. I don't know if you've seen this, but obviously you've managed the Project Prometheus Training Center and Andrea Bishop articles. Well, apparently the art director Nick Boes archived compilations of screenshots of the Prometheus Training Center in detail on this site, including some of the videos of Andrea Bishop talking to users and even behind-the-scenes content. Super cool.
- Plus, there's also this video ad for Andrea Bishop that was obviously made to lure people into the Project Prometheus site. This one you might like to consider adding to the Prometheus short films article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvEuKk3xDjU&feature=youtu.be --Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 20:04, October 5, 2018 (UTC)
- Nice, good find as usual. I'd forgotten all about that interactive game (wasn't actually me who put together those pages). Sadly the old Prometheus promotional site is inaccessible now and just redirects to the official Alien franchise website, which is making checking back on it difficult. But I'll take a proper look at those links when I've got a bit more time; I only popped on to see if you'd replied!-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 11:03, October 8, 2018 (UTC)
Isolation Goodies on Twitter
- No problemo! I got my tweet retweeted by the Isolation novel writer, so it all turned out lovely.--Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 12:29, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
- Btw, do you know how we'll be treating the Alien: Isolation novel when it gets released? Will we be treating it like the Alan Dean Foster novelizations wherein everything in there is a fun alternative to actual canon that can at best be cited in trivia and behind-the-scenes sections, or will the stuff like the furthering of the Ripley family backstory be something we can add to the related articles as canon unless its an outright contradiction of what's shown in the game? Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 17:51, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
- The latter. Usually, I consider anything that doesn't outright contradict the original source to be hard fact (particularly stuff like expanded names, character backgrounds etc.) That's generally how I've worked it with the film novelisations. Obviously this is all pending actually reading the thing :) -- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 08:59, October 4, 2018 (UTC)
Thus Spoke Zarathustra
On the Prometheus Blu-ray, the Thus Spoke Zarathustra short is actually just the start of the TED Conference, 2023 film; it seems they combined the two viral videos to make the full film (or, more likely, split the original film into two for the purposes of the viral campaign). As such, I'm gonna remove it as a separate entry on the short films page and combine it with the TED section. Personally, I'd consider the full video that was released officially on the Blu-ray to be the "definitive" version of the film, so it makes sense to me to list it as one complete film and then simply mention that it was split up as part of the marketing campaign.
- That sounds fine. Btw, I noticed that we don't have a page yet for the children's book Jonesy: Nine Lives on the Nostromo by Rory Lucey which comes out on October 16. Do you think I should put this on the non-canon or canon section of Jones' appearances on his article?
- https://www.amazon.com/Jonesy-Lives-Nostromo-Rory-Lucey/dp/178565926X Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 16:56, October 4, 2018 (UTC)
Covenant Shorts Page
It's not quite finished yet (I've yet to include the Audi ad) but I thought you might like to know the Alien: Covenant short films article is up! Other than that Audi one, is there anything you know of that's missing?-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 19:03, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know if you would like to include mention of the Meet Walter teaser. While it only runs like 14 seconds and largely uses footage from Meet Walter, the quote used by Walter isn't something I've heard him say anywhere else, so I think that would be interesting to note.
Isolation Series Voices
Hi there. I notice you've been adding a credit for Alien: Isolation - The Digital Series to various actor pages.
It seems the voice acting credits in the series have simply been lifted from the game word-for-word, regardless of whether or not the listed actors actually appear. For instance, Mac McDonald is listed but he definitely doesn't appear in the series (he's not credited with a specific character, but he's got a distinctive voice and I know he plays Chief in the game; Chief never crops up in the series). This has got me wondering how to deal with the rest. Chief's about the only one I can place from that big "additional voices" list, so there's really no way of knowing who else is in it and who isn't (in fact I suspect that might be why they just copied over the entire credits, because the people who made the series didn't know who exactly voiced who either). As such, I'm wondering whether guys like Glenn Wrage should be credited or not.-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 12:37, March 9, 2019 (UTC)
- Interesting. I didn't know that. I'll hold off on touching those voices, then. Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 13:58, March 9, 2019 (UTC)
Res novel Aliens flashback(s)
I really don't recall the Aliens flashback(s) in the novel! Where abouts do they happen? Do you have a page number or even a rough placement?
- Aw man, they're all over the place. They don't just happen in like a few pages. Practically every chapter seems to have a flashback of some sort. The most recurring are Ripley's flashbacks of saving Newt. Every tense scene with Newt involving Ripley from Aliens seems to have been sampled all over the book. Even small moments of introspection from Resurrection with Ripley 8 seem to involve a mini-flashback. Ripley actually recalls their exact words. Bishop and Ash's and Hudson's words are highlighted in bold black so I wondered if I should mark it as voice only or flashback. A good example is when Ripley 8 is breaking out of her cell it's mirrored by her flashback of Newt screaming "Break the glass!" and Hudson saying: "They cut the power! How could they cut the power? They're animals!". They're not described or named in that scene, just the words in bold black. That's on page 129 in the book but there's plenty more. Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 18:50, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
- Fair enough!
Short Film Stuff
40th Anniversary Shorts
So today I finally started hunting through the behind the scenes stuff for the 40th anniversary short films, looking for any decent info we can add to the wiki. I've done Containment and Specimen so far, and Specimen in particular turned up a decent amount of worthwhile stuff. If I find a similar amount for the others (I know the Spear sisters in particular were interviewed a lot about their short Ore) then the all-in-one page we have at the moment is going to get cluttered real fast. I'm considering knocking them off into their own individual pages. As it is I've bashed together a quick mock-up for Specimen here (not necessarily final) if you're interested. I think there's plenty there to justify a stand-alone article, although I definitely dug up more information on that than I did Containment. Still, I think we can justify a split.
I've asked Cruentus what he thinks, but he's currently AWOL. Wondered what your thoughts were, as you've shown an interest in these shorts before?-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) Leigh Burne (talk) (Contribs) 21:07, September 11, 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry I haven't really replied much. I think you may be on to something, but I think you would know better seeing as you might have access to the Blu-Ray sets that have more behind the scenes info. Definitely going to be a case by case basis. But you never know. Things like that Prometheus Training Center still have unplundered depths--Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 11:25, September 20, 2019 (UTC)
- No worries :)
- In the process of researching the anniversary films I found there was a decent amount of BTS info out there, definitely enough to justify them getting separate pages... so I went ahead with the split. And after seeing how they looked, I decided to continue with the Prometheus and Covenant shorts. Some of them contain more info than others, but I've managed to find a few extra bits and pieces about several of them, and if nothing else individual pages makes linking to them much more straightforward. I'm pretty satisfied it was the way to go.
- Unfortunately that Project Prometheus: Mission video is one that I've not been able to dig up anything on — not even the name of the actress playing Andrea Bishop. But I split it off anyway, because it wouldn't really make sense to have separate articles for most of the shorts and then one or two lumped together. Even light on detail as it is, it's long enough to be it's own page.
I'm not convinced the unnamed scientist on the Auriga is the one credited as an anaesthesiologist.
The actress listed as "Anaesthesiologist" in the credits is Marlene Bush, and as far as I can tell she plays the scientist who runs Ripley's picture test (the novelisation reveals the scientist's name to be Carlyn Williamson). The "She's doing well" scientist is played by a different actress (Williamson has grey hair, whereas the unnamed one doesn't). I think the second actress is Carolyn Campbell (credited as "Scientist"), but the trouble is the two characters both look really similar and it's hard to find images of the two actresses — I could only find one picture of Campbell and none of Bush, and I had to work out which was which from that. Maybe I've got them the wrong way around, or maybe they just screwed up the credits, because I agree anaesthesiologist would seem a more fitting description of the one helping out during the surgery, but I'm not really sure. What's your take?-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 10:12, April 2, 2020 (UTC)
- I'll be completely honest. I basically just googled the end credits vid for Alien Resurrection. This was the only one I could find. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWZeB5ax9rU In that vid you can see that the "Anaesthesiologist is creditted as Carolyn Campbell while "Scientist" is creditted as Marlene Bush. Could the vid have been doctored? I initially noticed that IMDB had creditted it that way so that's why I looked for the vid. Maybe you can check your copy of Resurrection? I don't exactly have one on-hand, lol. --Kingsman28 (talk) (Contribs) 11:45, April 2, 2020 (UTC)