Seriously, who wrote this page? It's filled with assumtions and ideas. It needs a cleanup.
- What assumptions do you mean?--Zervziel 22:24, March 16, 2010 (UTC)
Oh man.The author wrote scientifically, you unnamed user, he wrote all information and theories.And a theory is an idea of something that can be possible in reality, wich is scientific and theories help explain stuff.So, no cleanup!!!
someone needs to delete that warrior dome is the name for the normal warrior is AVP3 there is warrior, warrior dome and ridged. also ridged was NOT is ALIENS it was the normal warrior if u look closely you can see a diference from ridged and normal warriorSPARTAN-III leader 23:25, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Ok me and my friend on XBL were talking about the ranks of aliens. This is what he thought. Warrior:the normal alien, they expand alien territory. Warrior Dome:they protect territory. Ridged:Probably warrior leaders. (Basically a squad leader) Praetorians:They guard the Queen and in the caste ranking a "princess". Just somethin i wanted to say.SPARTAN-III leader 15:02, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
ok, this is my idea:
warrior dome: young warrior (female and male)
normal warrior: adult warrior (female)
ridged warrior: adult warrior (male)
just an idea
as far as we know,the aliens besides the queen and praetorian are genderless.
in my view and probably others as well is that the warrior is a drone thats older and evolved more, jim cameron said that too.
so a dome head warrior/drone is a young one,the warrior is the older and the ridged...i wish doesn't exist because it came from that crap movie that messed up the alien life cycle and the aliens behavior, aliens are animals and are completely vicious,yet the predalien just stood by and waited for wolf to remove his mask. ~unregistered user~
- Aliens are not animals, they are alien's. Same as Predators, you don't call them animals, they areno more than aliens. We can't call them animals because, well they are alien!Zharksman (talk) (Contribs) 03:35, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Cool ideas, but just to clarify: these are different "looks" you can unlock in AVP 2010. "Warrior Dome" resembles the original design from Alien (1979), "Warrior" from Aliens (1986), and the "Ridged Variant" is from AVP:R (2007). (See http://www.avpgalaxy.net/games/aliens-vs-predator-2010/multiplayer-skins.---CadmiumX99 (talk) (Contribs) 16:54, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
hi, i just wanted to know, where did that first alien come from...what movie as the fangs, either side of its mouth look odd, and it is labelled " mature warrior" but infact a queen is a mature warriror and queens don't have side fangs . 188.8.131.52 19:24, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
at the bottom of the page where the gallery is, there is a pic that says male xenomorph.As far as we know, all xenomorphs except the queen are genderless, first off they have no sexual organs and to have a gender is to have a purpose of mating and you can't mate unless you have the equipment and second, all xenomprhs beside the queen exists to only kill or capture hosts. 184.108.40.206 13:36, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
They got a women pregnant in alien labyrinth.
comics and games are non-canon, so whatever they can do in there doessn't matter compared to the film version and since the films came first and they matter, that little info doesn't at all, though you could put it in a list of things xenomorphs have done in expanded material 220.127.116.11 19:49, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Comics and game are canon until they contradict things in movies... Nothing in the movies really contradicts what I pointed out because we havnt seen a scenario were the above would need to happen.--WAVE 19:07, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Took the "Male" out. Sometimes a specific xenomorph character with a name/ "personality" is identified as a "she" or (rarely) a "he", but for the most part they're "it"s. The only "male" xenos we've seen so far have been created by mad scientists in a lab.---CadmiumX99 06:27, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
- thanks for removing that Cadmium, and wave, comics and games are not canon but there are some comics made to be a sequel or prequel to the movie (such as predators) and the movies have sort of contradicted what you said, the aliens always spread and propagate through implanting hosts and not knocking them up ( well at least not in the human way) and thats the only way we have seen so far and of course the new predalien way which is ridiculous but still uses chestbursters, while the movies have never said directly that alien warriors can't impregnate people, neither is it said they can. comics and games fall into the "expanded material" and "other media" type which are mostly if not completely non-canon until the true makers behind alien and predator like fox or whatever says its canon. 18.104.22.168 15:46, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
- The comics and games are canon, they are licensed Fox merchandise... Not only that but the creators of AvP 1 and AvP2 went out of there way to use the lore from the AvP universe, indicating that it is indeed canon, not only that but the mainline Aliens comics had characters cross over into Aliens vs Predator War.
I have red and played just about all the material and nothing I have seen has been contradicting. Actually the complement what is seen in the movies and makes them even more horrifying. (Note I except that the movie based games are not canon, but any of the games that are not a movie game are canon)--WAVE 23:29, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
then you're mistaken, they do contradict the movies sometimes, some comics have ripley,newt and hicks alive and in some comics the aliens have taken earth, but in Alien resurrection there is no mention of xenomorphs being on earth (if there was they wouldn't have needed to clone ripley). comic and games are not automatically canon and just because they are licenced doesn't mean squat. they need the licence to actually sell the stuff. the storyline and lore in each comic and games is different in each one.(some do share some lore and characters, its like when some people do fanfiction and they use the same "world" as another fanfiction writer did) and the movies came first so its obvious that the games and comics won't contradict the movies that much as they get the lore and info from the movies. games based off movies ore obviously non-canon but still have the fox logo.. i think (never did play avp requiem, i heard it was just as bad as the movie) but alien trilogy(not bad game) had the license as well but its still non-canon.22.214.171.124 15:58, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
- You guys are leaving out a whole range of stuff in between "canon" and "non-canon". Basically we could consider the movies "canon", the spin-off material as "mostly canon", and crossovers like Superman vs. Aliens and fanfiction "non-canon". For example, Wookieepedia uses "levels" of canon to describe the Star Wars Expanded Universe. It doesn’t have to be so black and white. Remember, there’s diehard ‘’Alien’’ fans who consider AVP to be totally non-canon. FYI, Dark Horse usually tries to keep the AVP comics universe consistent with the movies; see Alien vs. Predator: Thrill of the Hunt, and Aliens: The Female War.----CadmiumX99 16:47, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
- yes i remember a few comics based on AVP films. wasn't female war a remake of something else? i remember something about a few characters being changed. And yes i know dark horse tries to keep things somewhat consistent, as i said the movies came first so the comics will base info on what the movies had and then mix it with something new, and to be honest, i don't blame some for saying avp series is non-canon...they were crap films though the first one had potential, just needed more character development, more gore and not fast life cycles as no matter how alien these creatures are i doubt anything can grow that fast under or around 10 mins. 126.96.36.199 19:07, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
- Same can be said about the movies... actually this isn't the only canon war this franchises is involved with... There are lots of people that will say Aliens is non canon, let alone Alien 3, Alien Res. Anyways it is explained how and why Aliens change so fast in the novels and comics, Which at least Res and the Avp are based from, the Alien itself chooses when, how fast, how much it will change. They are not meant to seem natural at all. Even the two new movies are going to prove that. Its funny you think that aliens grow to fast because in some books that is exactly the same thing W.Y. scientist (at first) think about them as well. That is one reason lots of people thought that Riply was crazy... Until the company got clear details on the creature they assumed the one in Alien could have gotten no bigger than a small-med sized dog.--WAVE 22:05, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
- we know the movies are canon, though i have never met anyone who said aliens is non-canon (they must be crazy) though i can't blame them for saying alien 3 and alien res are non-canon, a lot of fans loved ripley,hicks and newt and didn't want them killed off (in the words of some: it was a slap in the face.) and as for alien res..well it was a bit far fetched and the alien life cycle rule (biped,quadrupedal) went out the window. though in the alien movies the growth is somewhat possible but the speed in the avp films was crazy. we can't really blame the way alien 3 turned out, there were production probems and lots of money was already spent and the director was brought in late and of course the nasty Fox bastards (pardon my language) kept interefering and tried to force their ideas into the film, in the end they re-worked it without the directors knowledge. i don't bother trying to know much about studios but isn't their part to just finance and maybe help get the film out?...and not interefer in the film's production. they did it in AVP as well, its the reason why there is no gore, they wanted a wider audience veiwing. As for this new prequel, i hear the space jockey is just a suit and it takes place 30 years before Alien..i hope the alines turn out to be natural creatures, as that would make them scarier.188.8.131.52 16:17, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Varieties of Xenomorph, by Host
I don't think it's mentioned anywhere in this article, the phenomenon of taking on characteristics of the host species. The article describes the common warrior as if it's a set, standard phenotype. The standard black upright xenomorph is most commonly seen, as they're all bred from human stock. However, wasn't there a dog-bred alien in Alien 3? Not as canon, but there were also a line of toys around that time that featured warriors produced from several other terrestrial species. It has always been my undersatnding that taking traits from the host victim species was a clever adaptation and integral feature of the xenomorph species.
- Jack Vermicelli 184.108.40.206 13:58, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
Human-spawned aliens usually are bipedal and humanoid-ish, though resurrection changed that a bit with the legs.
Warriors are in my view and a lot of others, drones that have matured and molted more. Dog alien was in alien 3, so yeah; it takes traits, the page you want is the Xenomorph XX121 (Alien) page which is more detailed with the alien's characteristics The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 16:31, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
What fifth dorsal tube are they reffering to? I thought the Xenomorph warriors only had four dorsaltubes if someone coul post of a picture of this that would be great.Gorea Core-X (talk) (Contribs) 12:10, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
- The original Alien in the first film had a fifth, more spikey dorsal tube directly beneath the back of its head, although it's hard to spot in the film. The image I uploaded to the right is just a crude toy, but it shows you roughly where and what it is. Some of the creatures in Aliens and the video games don't have this fifth spine, probably because it gets in the way of the head when they're moving on all fours.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 12:31, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks!Gorea Core-X (talk) (Contribs) 13:37, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
- They come from Aliens vs. Predator (the 2010 game) and in the game the skin is specifically referred to as "Warrior Dome". It's a bit confusing and doesn't really fit, but I guess it's only right the page covers it.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 10:22, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
- If you ask me, it's just another design change thrown into one of the newer films without any thought or reasoning put behind it.--Leigh Burne (Talk) (Contribs) 09:14, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
The Drone/Warrior distinction that we currently adopt on this wiki states that Drones are young, smooth-headed Aliens while Warriors are the older, ridge-headed variety. However, I'm not altogether convinced this is accurate and it seems likely that the terms Drone and Warrior are fully interchangeable in franchise media. I therefore think there's an argument for merging the Drone and Warrior pages under whichever of the two terms is more commonplace (I suspect Warrior). As this would constitute a major change on the Wiki affecting a lot of pages it should really be discussed thoroughly before any alterations are made.
I can see that the issue has been discussed before on the Drone talk page with no definite consensus, but it couldn't hurt to bring the matter up again. I suggest that I make make a post here and on the Drone talk page to this effect and we can go from there.-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 09:44, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not convinced this is accurate either. Although they pretty much fill the same roll, what distinguishes drones and warriors for me is how they act and look. Drones are more stealthy, patient, and intelligent. Warriors don't much bother with stealth and usually just brutes, with some exceptions, such as Specimen 6. Warriors have bladed tails, Drones have a simple barb; Warriors have slopes in their heads while Drones usually have a perfect oval-ish curve.
- I'm only here concerning Grid however. You, Leigh Burne, continue to assert it is a drone and you have zero evidence to back that up. Ever alien in AVP was a warrior and as the games and toys have proven, Warriors can have domed heads just like drones can. If anything, look at the tails. The AVP aliens have bladed tails, not barbed tails. Until I receive evidence that Grid is a drone, I will not let that information be on the page. It is incorrect; you can't even source it.Werebereus - ಠ_ಠ 16:30, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
- So far as I'm aware, the only Alien to ever have a barbed tail was the first in 1979. All others have been given the more common bladed style. So the tail can hardly be considered the defining element.
- It is pretty clear that Drones are just young Warriors with different sources stating this either directly or indirectly. However, I do not think this is reason enough to merge the pages, following this train of thought shouldn't the Boiler also be merged with Drone/Warrior? And how about the Chestburster which is just a young version of any caste. And you could compare the molting of a Chestburster into an adult the same as a Drone molting into a Warrior through age, which would then, stretching it a little bit, would mean that the Praetorian and Queen could also just be considered the process of age, however, they do have distinct roles and physical differences which would designate them as their own caste, as do Drones and Warriors. I agree that things like Warrior domed and Warrior ridged are probably just poor design choices with little thought put behind them but that shouldn't affect the overall status of the two castes. The board game "AVP: The Hunt Begins" lists Drones as being infant Warriors but it also lists them as being a distinct "evolution" much like the "Royal Guard"/Praetorian is its own separate evolution, Drones have a specific role to fill as do Warriors like other castes, which would in my view justify them being separate castes. And on a final note, (I believe you brought this up on Drone page) the Runner could be considered just a Drone caste but born from a different host, so would you merge that? My point being that there are certain physical or behavioural difference which set aside a "Drone" or "Warrior" even if a few sources have referred to Warriors as Drones or vice versa, this could simply be a naming error on part of the developer/writer for that piece of media/merchandise. Also on a side note: You mentioned the W-Y Report says that they are the same caste, I'm interested in seeing exactly what it was they said, do you have a picture of this information or just a quote from the text? ---The Creature Slayer (talk) (Contribs) 16:27, November 1, 2018 (UTC)
- Basically Alien: The Weyland-Yutani Report has a section on the life cycle stages of the Xenomorph that includes Egg, Facehugger, Chestburster, Drone, Queen. The Drone section includes images and descriptions of the both the Alien-style Xenomorph and the Aliens-style one (and the Runner from Alien3, as it happens, but I think that one remains physiologically unique enough that it deserves it's own page), with the differences in appearance chalked up to biological variance. I'd consider this book to be by far the best official source on Xenomorph biology we have (in fact, it might well be the only official source), so I'm strongly inclined to go with what it says. When you couple this with the fact that the terms "Drone" and "Warrior" have been used fairly interchangeably throughout the franchise — Cameron considered the creature in the original film to be a Warrior as much as his own, Aliens versus Predator 2 calls the ridge-head Aliens Drones, while virtually every piece of merchandise for Alien vs. Predator labels its Xenos Warriors, despite the fact they have smooth heads (and are only a few hours old) — I'm inclined to say they're one and the same.
- I think the only concrete "source" I've ever seen regarding the ageing theory is Cameron responding to a fan who suggested the ageing idea to him — he told them their theory was "as good as mine", which is hardly definitive proof that it is canon. If you know of other sources that back up the ageing concept then please share. On the other hand, this article goes into some detail about why the distinction between Drone and Warrior isn't accurate. There's also the fact Requiem undermines the ageing=Warrior idea by having Xenomorphs that possess ridged heads from birth. As for the idea that Drones and Warriors fulfil specific, separate roles in the species' hierarchy — do they? I know some games have suggested they do, but to me nothing in the films appears to back that up. And again, The Weyland-Yutani Report would seem to disprove it.
- As it happens, Cruentus and I have been working on a draft consolidated page testing out the proposed merge. It's here if you'd like to take a look, although I'd kindly ask that you run any prospective alterations past me before implementing them. It's not entirely finished yet, but it at least gives a good idea of where we're thinking of going with it.
- Finally, going back to the issue of the Runner technically being a type of Drone under this new definition — that is something I plan to address (should the merge go ahead) and mention on the Runner page, but it kinda depends on the consolidated Drone article being up and running first. It would be as simple as tweaking the Runner page to clarify that it's a type of Drone — as I said, I do think it's physiologically unique enough to warrant separate mention. But I don't believe the same can be said of the Warrior (especially given the lack of consistency on naming that I've already mentioned). As for the other castes you've mentioned, the Chestburster and the Queen are already listed separately in The Weyland-Yutani Report, while the Boiler and the Praetorian follow along the lines of the Runner — they're physiologically unique enough that to me they warrant special mention.-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 11:37, November 2, 2018 (UTC)
- The only other source for the ageing theory I can think of off the top of my head is the board game The Hunt Begins which has Drone pieces called "Infant Alien Warriors" and in the description for said pieces, it says this: "These aliens are the most basic of all xenomorph hive creatures, similar to a worker bee. Also referred to as Drones, they are responsible for the construction of alien hives by using a strong resin-like material they secrete. Spawned from human hosts, they stand roughly seven feet tall and sport smooth, elongated heads. As they age and mature, the smooth carapace sloughs off, revealing the ridged structures that adult Warriors have." --The Creature Slayer (talk) (Contribs) 13:36, November 2, 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late response; I've been away as usual!
- That's interesting, some of that almost sounds like it was lifted from here! But I'm still not sure it outweighs the other evidence I've mentioned. Besides, The Hunt Begins would hardly be the first game, board or video, that has presented a take on the Alien's biology that doesn't really conform to the films or other official media.-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 22:01, November 6, 2018 (UTC)