Talk: Specimen 6

She or It?

6 obviosly turned into a Praetorian because its head did not come out of the cover of the quuen as seen in aliens as the queen's head came out of a tube. Therefore 6 is a male I believe that male aliens evolve into Praetorians -- Lukefrywalker 02:49, Monday, 26 April 2010 (AEST)

:: You forget later on Weyland says "Wait, don't kill it. This one is an old friend" referring to Six in asexual terms. They also refer to the Queen as the Matriarch so you must take what they say with a pinch of salt.--Zervziel 18:08, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

8goodking 05:01, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Christ! Any animal, regardless of its sex, can be referred to by "it". The pronoun itself is not a valid proof that the animal is asexual! If the scientists call Six a "clever girl" and you believe in what they say, Six is a "she".

Nevertheless, I never believe there is any male Xenomorph. In my opinion, all Xenomorphs share a fair chance to molt into a Queen if necessary. They are all "female" and the Queen is innately fertile. In the absense of an opposite "male" sex, you can call the Xenomorph gender too fuzzy. Maybe there is no sex for them. Humans interpret them as female because they are able to reproduce. Male animals are typically unable to reproduce. In AVP3 game, Six was once tasked to free her "siblings" instead of "brothers", "brethrens" or "sisters". That may suggest the lack of gender among them although some can argue it can also mean there are a mix of male and female Xenomorph.

On the alien species wiki it says that warriors are boys and drones are girls. Even though 6 is a warrior and if he was a male, 6 is still able to change sex to become a queen right?SPARTAN-III leader 17:19, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Why not? Clownfish can do it. Seriously. So, in the event that there are no females around to be queens, it seems possible and probable that a Xenomorph (and remember these things ARE fiction and little known, so anything is possible) can change its sex into a female. Lightning418 22:03, June 20, 2010 (UTC) The Xenomorphs have no reproductive organs, with the sole exception of the Queens. Specimen 6 and all other Xenomorphs should thus be classified as "it." 4th Shadow Link 18:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

just to let everyone know there has only been 1 male xeno and that was a result of an experiment Mikeybot55 19:53 28 july 2010

Personally, I'm with the idea that what makes the Alien "alien" is that it blurs the line between male and female, biological and mechanical. However, references to specific xenomorph characters as "he" or "she" are acceptable depending on the story's narrator or how the other characters refer to it.----CadmiumX99 04:50, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Some have to be males, the Pregnant Belly Burster in Alien Labyrinth didnt make her self pregnant...

173.30.19.85 16:53, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Can the above really be considered canon? Also, Specimen 6 is referred to as "she" by Groves. This and her molting into a QUEEN (not a Praetorian, she was too big and had the two extra arms) obviously means it's a female. All xenomorphs are female, regardless of their species type. There are no need for males.

Actually, there are Xenomorph males. The Predalien in Requiem was confirmed to be male.--{{SUBST:User:Shade Link/sig}} 22:20, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, this comes from a HUGE fan of the Xenomorph species. The Predalian strand are a mutation of the pure Xenomorph strand, so they likely do not follow the same 'rules' as the ordinary, main-stream Xenomorph. When I refer to 'pure strand' I mean the non-Predator and non-four legged hosts i.e. humans. So while a Predalien may be male this does not necessarily apply to the race as a whole, a mutation does not define an entire species. Not let me address this whole mess about male or female, I think I can straighten things out a little.

Personally and realistically I believe that Xenomorph that are all born female and that the Queen forces all subservient Xenomorph to be sterile via a pheromone, thus protecting her status as leader of her hive - similarily to how it works in a bee hive. If the Queen dies, is abducted or if a Queen is absent then other Xenomorph gain the potential to become fertile and molt into a Queen. Once a younger Xenomorph molts into a Queen it would likely excrete a pheromone forcing all other Xenomorph in the vicinity to be sterile thus removing any chance at competition and claiming leadership of the hive for herself. As for how the Queens reproduce and birth eggs without the existence of males, this is most likely due to some form of Hermaphroditism (having both male and female gentalia) meaning that the Queen would be able to fertilize herself. Thus males are not needed.

But there is a least one known male Xenomorph - the Xenomorph King. But the Xenomorph King was the result of experimentation and human meddling with Xenomorph genetics. This male Xenomorph was subsequently killed by a Queen, restoring the 'proper' order. So to sum up - it is most likely that all Xenomorph are born female but are kept sterile by a dominant Queen (just like in a bee hive). Praetorians possess the potential to become fertile but are likewise suppressed by a dominant Queen, if the Queen dies then the strongest Praetorian will be the first to molt into a new Queen and will then suppressed the fertility of all other Xenomorph in the hive. If the Queen dies and there are no Praetorians to replace her then the strongest Warrior will molt and the process repeats. So if we look at Specimen Six aboard the shuttle. It was all alone, no Queen and no other Xenomorph, so it did what it was driven to do instinctively and molted - first into a Praetorian and then into a Queen.Enigma24 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 08:00, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

EDIT TRIVIA NOTE:

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"6 showed unusual intelligence as it realised if it burst out of its host mouth it would evade capture." was edited by me because not the whole thing is true. "6 showed unusual intelligence to re-enter its host's corpse when it finds itself trapped having bursted from the chest." is the new version.

6 was smart to have re-entered the corpse to find another way out but bursting out of the host's mouth wasn't a smart act. It immediately resulted in Groves noticing the havoc and used nitrogen gas to freeze the lab 6 was in. 6 was subsequently captured by Grove's men.

Yes but it showed higher intellect than normal drones. Mikeybot55 19:56 28 july 2010

I agree with Mikey here. By emerging from the host's chest, seeing that it was trapped and then re-entering the chest cavity to emerge out the mouth is very clear evidence that Specimen Six possesses greater intelligence than other Xenomorph and also likely the reason Karl Bishop Weyland kept it alive. This heightened intellect is likely also the reason Six goes on to molt into a Queen, it has an advantage to give to the species and by becoming a Queen it is ensured that this genetic advantage will be passed on. Six's offspring are more intelligent and as a direct result more successful and dangerous, thus the Xenomorph species grows stronger. It is simple genetics. Enigma24 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 08:05, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

TRIVIA NOTE:

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"When 6 bursted from its host's mouth and hissed with its inner jaw extended, it looks like the dead man was doing the same thing."

I have re-created this trivia after its deletion by someone else. This is an important cinematographic scene that people may not notice at all, distracted by the plot (6 finds a new way out).

Character cat

No need to add character cat. 'Individuals' means the same thing.-----CadmiumX99 09:22, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

6 V Grid

I've been wondering who would win in a fight- 6 or Grid. I think 6 would because he would come up with a plan to kill grid although it is an equal match-Grid is stronger and 6 is smarter.Also my friend says that intellegence rules over power, but still Grid might win.SPARTAN-III leader 17:27, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

I would win against both of them. Dark aka.Ahaga10 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 07:16, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Life Cycle Issue

One of the trivia claims that six molted into a queen; this is not true. He (as I will refer to six; "he" may be "she" or "it") molted into a Praetorian, a young queen. Xenomorph Queens aren't necessarily born right off the bat, if AVP3 is any legitimate proof. If there are no queens to head the synaptic "hub", or the nest, a drone or warrior will molt into a Praetorian to build the Hive up, and then molt into the much larger Queen, who becomes quite immobile and defenseless. Unless, of course, she is captured; as shown by the Alien campaign, and the AVP movie, a captured Queen will attempt to escape captivity.

Yet, 6 did Grow into a Queen in the end. The proof is that the model used for 6 is the same model used for the queen shown also in the final cutscene. At first speculation, 6 did grow into a praetorin, when fallowing oldering alien history. When looking at the game alone, technically 6 did grow into a Queen because 6 did change into a Queen model. But, this is only true when avoiding all past history of AVP3. Following the older games + alien movies(not AVP movies) would point to 6 growing into a praetorian. ```` 6 had turned into a praetorian offscreen. the proof is clear if you look closely. he had large back spikes, and if you look at the top of his head you can see the base of a praetorian head crest.

Rydrake master 21:12, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

It is likely that aliens are its, neither he nor she. And it appears that under the right circumstances all aliens can become queens. H.R.Giger creator of the creatures says that the "queen" is the final stage in a xenomorph life cycle, in which case alll xenos can become then. However there is a royal face hugger which carries chestbursters. this is probably the prefered way to start a hive, and all other ways are simply adaptations to ensure the continuation of their race. As if all the "pureborn" queens are dead then the species would eventually die out wouldn't it??? the aliens have obviously evolved past the limits of earth's castes systems.

The reason why not all adult aliens ( drone/ warrior/ what ever you want to call them) become queens as it would cause hive warfare for dominance. The presance of one controling factor means that all aliens are equal under the queens control. if the wer two queens then the queens would fight with each other and it would be pointless.

Remember aliens aren't human. they dont follow our rules of evolution or society. in the alien hive The queen is in control. However aliens must contue to evolve as all living lifeforms to overcome obsticles and gentic weaknessess. Hence the reason for "speciemen 6 and Grid" they are examples of xenomorphs with enhanced capibilities. In the novalisation of AVP Grid is refered to as an "Alpha" alien. this probably means that if the queen dies this alien will take command and become the new queen. the may be several "Alphas" in one hive. this would mean that if the existing queen is killed then the others would fight for dominance as only the strongest smartest xeno's are fit for the royal role. in situations where there is only one Alpha then obviusly that alpha is more smarter and stronger than all other aliens and so shall molt into a queen. If there is only one alien then it is the smartest strongest alin and shall molt into a queen.

this is the most likely explantion for the different ways to become a queen shown in the avp universe. As if there is only one alien , the species's natrul instict is to continue the species so it has to become a queen to do this effectively.

And to all people that want to know, any documant, game, film that is published by 20th century fox, or has permission to publish the idea MUST be viewed as canon. As basically the Alien franchise it quite simply owned by them.J.deexeno 13:28, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Actually thats not true, the comics and games that are published by fox are not canon simply because it has a fox logo, it means they they have licence to publish them and not get copyrighted. the film's story is whats canon, anything else is just expanded material unless SAID otherwise by fox. Mr.Scryer. ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:14, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Queen Six

Hi, excuse me, i just made an Edit on Specimen Six, ssaying that it's not a queen, which im not sure about, i just want to see proof about this claim before i get excluded from editing this article, please. Hazel-rah 20:33, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

The proof is there visually, you see Six molt into a queen. It's obvious because she's much bigger than the other xenomorphs and has the extra two arms that Queens have.

Where Six's ship is going

Is Six heading to the alien planet too, Then we might get to see the queen mother (leader off all aliens) to talk to her.....if there is a sequel i hope so :D 94.99.41.136 17:28, June 5, 2011 (UTC)kenxylod

the dropship is going to the xenomorph homeworld because weyland says so before the game ending that he found the location of their homeworld and they are going thereChargersphinx ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 03:15, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Yes Six is a Queen, it is fairly obvious if you watch the ending cinematic closely. It molts into a Praetorian, off-screen but on close inspection you can see the obvious signs (back spines, Praetorian head crest), and then into a Queen. It obvious that Six is a Queen in its last molt due to her sheer size and the fact that her head slips down out of the crest once the molting is complete. She, yes Six is now a she, even roars at the very end and gives the player a good view of that large Queen crest. Enigma24 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 08:55, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Synaptic, incorrect and misleading definition.

I made a small change regarding Six's paralysis when its' Queen died. The text read "synaptic link". A synaptic link is the link between synapses inside a brain. This means, if Xenomorphs have "synaptic links", they' always have to maintain physical contact, synapse touching synapse, to maintain the link.

Replaced with the words "telepathic link", which, I think, the original contributor meant. Two or more individual minds that interact with each other with nothing else but the mind itself, without physical contact ("tele-").

85.151.148.111 14:33, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Am I the only one...

That views Six as a Anti-Heroine and not a Villian? I mean all She wants is to Survive... She was also getting Revenge on Weyland-Yutani for Tortureing and Experimenting on her and the Hive... in a way I dont see her as Evil. 92.18.255.57 18:54, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

I tend to agree with you there. She's only evil from the viewpoint of Weyland-Yutani and the Colonial Marines. Mind you that's understandable. She did kill a hell of a lot of Weyland-Yutani staff, Colonial Marines and any humans who got in her way. So she's definitely no saint but I do agree that she is more of an Anti-Heroine, she only wants to survive and get revenge on her captors and torturers. Enigma24 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 22:36, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Neither of those titles apply to Six, aliens are like animals in that they are driven by instincts though they are quite intelligent, sharks are not evil or malevolent and Aliens are not either, its just the way they are. If they were created by the Engineers as a bio-weapon which is implied, then the intentions behind their creations was malevolent i.e genocide of certain races. The Cruentus ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:26, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

That's a very good point and nice comparison there, they are essentially animals - albiet highly aggressive and utterly alien animals. So I have to agree with your statement that they can't really be considered either anti-heroine or villian. Very well put! They are just Xenomorph, doing what their instinct drives them to do. A lion can't be considered evil for hunting and killing. Evil is an aspect of sentience, animals can't possess it as they don't know the difference between right and wrong. Enigma24 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 23:27, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for agreeing with me. While we're on the Subject who else here agrees with me that Me against the World by Simple Plan would be the Perfect Theme Song for her? 92.18.247.155 18:54, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I'm always willing to listen to what other people and acknowledge good points and ideas when I see them. Just listening to that song now, it really is a fitting theme song for Six. That's the whole reason she broke free and went on her killing spree, to get revenge on the humans who had imprisoned and tormented her. She even takes her main tormentor, Dr Groves, captive as a sort of retaliation. And yes Xenomorph would show revenge and anger, look how a Queen followed Ripley onto a ship to get revenge for her destroying her nest. Enigma24 ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 21:10, June 23, 2013 (UTC)

Im glad to have met such a kind person like yourself. The Internet dont always get such layed back and accepting People. But yeah the Song do's fit her as:

• She's a 'what cause' not a Hero.
• She'll make it on her own.
• She's a Nightmare, A Disaster to those who cross her.
• It's Six against the World. 

92.18.228.4 15:27, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

praetorian issue

I have seen some debate around as to whether or no 6 was ever a praetorian. I thought I would put the debate to rest a bit, before 6 fully molts into a queen she posses distinctive shoulder spikes that are neither present on AVP 2010s model of the Drone/Warrior of Queen. So pre-queen she had to have been a praetorian. (the head crest is often dismissed as the queen crest growing beneath her exoskeletal head skin thing) ralok ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:23, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

Some of my AMAZING drawing skills.

There really shouldn't be a debate about this. I thought it was pretty obvious Six was a Praetorian at the end.--Toa Quarax ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 18:03, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

You can see 6's head 'spikes' same as the Preatorians and if you look a bit back its 'crest' also same as the preatorian; six was molted into a preatorian when in the W-Y Ship

Removing Recent Trivia

Regarding this:

"Specimen six's sibling emerged just before her at birth, meaning she wasn't the oldest of the human bred Xenomorphs. In fact, considering there were no more than two chestbursters born in the room, it's very likely that Six and her sibling were the last of the human bred Xenomorphs, making her the youngest of them all, despite obviously being the most intelligent."

There is absolutely no proof Six was "very likely" one of the last Xenomorphs bred before the containment failure. An indeterminate amount of time passes between Six being born and the Queen escaping, during which time Six grows to full size, undergoes all of the tests Groves puts it through and makes its first, failed attempt at escaping. There's nothing to suggest they weren't still breeding Xenomorphs during this time; we don't even known how long this period of time is. It could be days for all we know. With no evidence to back this suggestion up, I'm going to remove it. Please discuss here if you disagree.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 12:02, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

The article needs to be more about Six

Okay, I don't understand why people don't like my edits, but I am just doing them because the original article does not talk a lot about what she herself does and more or less describes the Xenomorph spread in general, and if a particular Xenomorph gets their own article, the focus should be on what they specifically do. Also, Six had all of those physical and mental traits as no other Xenomorph displayed those abilities. So I really think my edits are being opposed for nothing. (Whatweare ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 23:53, August 15, 2018 (UTC))

Because as Leigh explained in his summary, there was a lot of errors in it, also a few strange phrases such as "her people", Xenomorphs are essentially animals, intelligent animals but animals nonetheless. Also how Six goes about killing or harvesting people is entirely player determinant ergo there is no cat and mouse or civililans left for last because a player can do it anyway they want. There is no official way it happened.

The abilities section is just strange (patience?), and those that are not aren't really unique to six and some of it is just player/game mechanics and once again player determinant. If Six receives telepathic communication from the Queen then so do all Xenomorphs, the only thing unique about Six is that she was a potential Queen.-- The Cruentus^(Talk) 10:16, August 16, 2018 (UTC)

Crying

Xenos can't cry. They have no tear ducts. I have played the game too many times to count and what you describe is simply false. The Creature Slayer ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 19:12, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

I think it is primarily due to the bright light in the scene, but there is indeed evidence that Xenomorphs do have tear ducts. Karl Bishop Weyland admits the Xenomorphs have based spectrum sight, so this species of Xenomorph clearly has eyes that are likely hidden under the carapace. If you look really carefully, because of how bright the ground is, you can see some tears, so Six is technically crying. I presume players aren't supposed to see it. (Whatweare ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 19:21, February 7, 2020 (UTC))

No. There are no tears coming from Six at any point in the game. The Creature Slayer ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:07, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

I've seen them. And the perspective of the game is first person, so it is understandable that you might mistake it for rain or dew from a tree, but they are Six's tears, given that they fall right as she falls fully on the ground. (Whatweare ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:32, February 7, 2020 (UTC))

See my above comment, period. The Creature Slayer ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 20:36, February 7, 2020 (UTC)

Neither are technically rebuttals. And it would easily be in Xenomorph biology for them to have tear ducts, especially Xenomorphs born from humans, which Six clearly is. Not to mention Six is an organic species of Xenomorph, which likely has tear ducts in biology. (Whatweare ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 22:24, February 7, 2020 (UTC))

All Xenomorphs are organic since they are animals, Six is no exception but that is not proof of tear ducts, Xenomorphs do not have any eyes so they would not have tear ducts.-- The Cruentus^(Talk) 11:18, February 8, 2020 (UTC)

As Cruentus said, being biological does not mean they have tear ducts. Most animals irl do not have tear ducts. Some castes/individuals have vestigial eye sockets in their skulls under their carapace but that's all they are, vestigial. These are quite visible under the carapaces of some and they quite visibly contain no eye ducts attached to the eye orbits which is where human tear ducts are. As for excreting tears from some other place, there is no orifice in which they could cry from. Tears are also biologically redundant for Xenomorph XX121, as they are a hive mind species who have no need to show such emotions or to lubricate any part of their body as they seem to be pretty consistently wet anyway. I've played the game numerous times and I've rewatched the ending plenty. What you describe does not happen at all in any conceivable way. There is what seems to be ash or embers floating across the ENTIRE screen from a third-person perspective of Six but no tears or liquid of any kind. The Creature Slayer ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 17:54, February 8, 2020 (UTC)