Deletion?[]
Not sure why this page has deletion tags since it is a neca toy and not fanon I believe. --
The Cruentus(Talk) 15:36, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
Alien and Predator toys now have their own page where they all co-exist. I don't see it to be very necessary to have exclusive pages on random toys, especially since that would mean an entire overhaul would have to be made with each and every uninteresting action figure of a non-canon predator/alien/character would have to be made just to stay wiki consistent instead of just cherry-picking the cool looking ones and basically just adding their box description or their NECA page description and nothing else , like this one. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 15:55, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
Fair enough but state reasons when adding tags in future. I shall delete the page once all info and references and images are moved to the neca page. -- The Cruentus(Talk) 16:03, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure how that would be able to fit in with the Predator (NECA) page. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 16:05, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
hmm I see what you mean, I think the references and images should still be crossed over at least, tell you what, lets get Leigh in here, that way we can all discuss the neca toys that have their own page and decide what exactly to do with them all from here, what info to keep or not etc. I have no objections to it being deleted, but we need to know what do with the contents as they be relevant for item description. -- The Cruentus(Talk) 16:48, February 8, 2017 (UTC)
- I went ahead with removing the delete tag before finding this discussion, but now that I've read it Had raises a good point. Having said that, the biography (which I assume was taken from the packaging) probably warrants a place on the wiki.--
LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 13:34, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
4 years later and I didnt even realize this page was still up! Ultimately, I am still for the deletion of this page. At the end of the day, its a toy with no bearing on Predator canon, and few other pages exist just to show off the biography of an action figure. If Nightstorm appeared in a comic then that would be a different story, but as for now. I suggest a deletion.HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 02:07, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't see why it should be deleted, there's sufficient information to warrant its own distinct page. This is a wiki, it is supposed to be a knowledge database about the franchise. Even if this is just a toy, it is part of the franchise and deserves to be covered, IMO. It doesn't really harm anything or anyone by existing, and it's not like the information is already covered on another page (the NECA page just lists that it exists). Plus, as can be seen with the gallery, this isn't just a one-off figure, but a character that has received three different figures from three different brands. In the end, as a wiki, shouldn't we strive to have information on as much things related to the franchise as possible, even if they are minor things? --The Creature Slayer (talk) (Contribs) 17:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
You have a point. But this begs the question of what action figures deserve their own separate pages, or if all action figures should get pages, let alone if they should be treated as canonical. Personally, I think we could somehow add the biographies to the NECA figures on the NECA Predator/Aliens pages, so that could save time creating all these pages essentially just to cover that info, but thats just me. Prior to the neca page overhaul the wiki was a bit of a mess in terms of its figures, with kenner figures specifically here and there having their own pages, others not and overall the whole thing being a bit convoluted. This is just my take. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 18:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I get you. I was trying to tackle this very issue myself before I ended up going on hiatus for most of 2020, though I got told to leave it for a bit due to some issues with Freight Train. I originally thought of possibly making a list page of minor Predator characters that had appeared in toys, statues, etc. that didn't really have all that much information on them. And while I still think that could be employed for some of the more minor characters, I feel as if for figures that we do have a decent amount info on like these ones with the bios, we could make pages for. It shouldn't take too much effort to put them together in nice little neat pages if we have the associated bios on hand.
As for the whole canonicity thing... I think we should really take a look at and possibly revise how we handle canon on this Wiki since the franchises themselves don't really do a good job of handling it themselves and we even have multiple canons of sorts. I know you've recently gone around putting the noncanon template on a lot of ACM stuff, but the problem at hand with this is that if we were to take the whole approach of having one defined canon, we'd have to put that noncanon label on pretty much every page that isn't related to the movies themselves or hard canon tie-ins like Alien Isolation (AKA the majority of the Wiki). The "expanded universe" as we can call it has just been muddied and muddied even more in recent years and I can only assume it is going to get much worse with Disney now taking the helm (similar to what happened with Star Wars). I personally feel like we should only really use the noncanon tag for explicitly "yeah this was never intended to actually be something that happened" and what-not (Aliens: Infestation as an example, or the Space Marines pages I worked on which have their own unique noncanon tag). But that's an entirely different debate I probably shouldn't get too deep into on this page. Quick Addendum: Also, another thing with the whole canon debate, even the movies themselves can't get the facts straight between each other. --The Creature Slayer (talk) (Contribs) 16:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, considering the NECA Predator canonicity what is the status of the Big Red Predator (alongside Wasp and Albino) that comes from the fan-film Batman: Dead End ???? --Fox357magnum(Talk) 22:36, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I would say deffo non-canon since they all originated from a fan film. HadAnd0426 (talk) (Contribs) 14:17, 24 February 2021 (UTC)