Human or synthetic.[]
This is here because it is being speculated that she may be a robot The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 19:03, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
The film strongly hints at this possibility which is further backed by interviews given by the director, scriptwriter and actors, hence the speculation should be included in the article. This is in line with other Prometheus related articles (e.g. Black Goo). 188.238.87.224 16:48, June 15, 2012 (UTC) The film does not "strongly" hint at it, in fact she does a few things show that she is human, she shows shock and fear, has sex with janek etc. Regardless, speculation does belong in the article and I don't remember anyone saying she is a robot, not Ridley and not the scriptwriter. Show me a link to them here.
The black goo is not speculation as it is shown in the film. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 17:12, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, she indeed shows shock, fear and other emotions. This, however, doesn't exclude the option she still is an android (Blade Runner thematics, she may not even know being an android herself).
http://www.slashfilm.com/interview-charlize-theron-talks-prometheus/
Q: After seeing the movie, people were theorizing that your character might be an android. That’s not said in the film and probably is not even true. I wanted to know if you thought of that. A: Theron: (Laughs) We played around with a lot of stuff, I’ll just say that, nonspecific things.
Here's IMDB FAQ on the subject matter: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/faq#.2.1.21. Also there was a Ridley Scott interview where he teased that "there may be two", though I can't find the link at the moment.
188.238.87.224 22:09, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
"Teased" and "played around" is not confirmation and one of those was before the film was out i assume, so they were trying to not spoil it for anyone and if it was after the film, the key words there are still "teased" and "played around" Rumor has it that andreas is an android so she could be the second one, though that is speculation too. Also, she has sex with Janek after he accused her of being a robot. Robots do not have emotions like we do, so if she was a robot she would not be able to genuinly feel emotions such as fear, shock , anger and sadness. In the end it is speculation and it can't be proved.
Also there is this from one of the links you gave that provides counter arguments:
Evidence against android theory; (1) While Weyland might be considered too old to be her biological father, it's not impossible nor unheard of for men in their later years to father children with younger women; it's also possible that she had spent a good part of her life in cryo sleep while Weyland did not, so she could very well be older than she has aged. (2) She sleeps in a cryogenic chamber, which an android would not need. (3) Vicker's first appearance has her recovering from cryo-sleep doing push-ups and just trying to work off the "cryo hangover". Since the only person up and about was David, she wouldn't need to pretend to be human at this point if she was indeed an android. (4) It's implied that she has sex with Janek; if she was an android she likely wouldn't have done this. (5) She shows strong emotions such as anger and despair. She becomes angry with David and panics towards the end of the film. She shows frustration and exhaustion when she is running to her escape pod, which she wouldn't if she were an android. (6) Vickers is also visually annoyed when Weyland mentions that David is like a "son" to him; if she is human then it's understandable that she is jealous of Weyland's relationship with David. (7) She becomes angry with Weyland's quest to beat death, which suggests that she is human and capable of showing emotion, unlike David's need to follow his orders. (8) Vickers mentions that back on Earth, she and Weyland constantly argued about who was in charge of the company. It seems unlikely that Weyland would leave his company to be run by an android. It seems that Vickers was actually his biological daughter. In Weyland's hologram at the beginning, he said David was the closest thing he ever had to a son. He never says he didn't have any daughters. (9) It's been suggested that the fact that the surgery module in Vickers' quarters is programmed only for males means that she must be synthetic. It's more likely, however, that the surgery module is there for Weyland's use, not hers, which would explain why Vickers is upset at Shaw activating the module early in the movie. Since Weyland's presence aboard the ship was a secret, Vickers wouldn't have wanted Shaw to notice the settings and wonder about them. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 22:33, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
Transgender?[]
Aside from the fact I've never heard anyone suggest Vickers might be transgender before, the "evidence" supplied to back this up on this page doesn't really seem to hold water if you ask me...
- While Peter Weyland presented to the crew via hologram, he says "David is the closest thing to a son I ever had" and there is a very explicit shot of Vickers looking upset and let down.
Vickers is upset because she's his daughter, whereas clearly all Weyland wanted was a son to carry on his name. It in no way suggests she's changed her sex.
- Vickers has a MedPod calibrated for only males in her personal living quarters (Weyland and his entire support staff are hidden in another part of the ship). When Shaw goes to inspect it, she is instantly warned away from the machine by Vickers. Are we to believe that Vickers, ultra-cautious heir to the Weyland fortune, would take up residence in a lifeboat with a rare medical device ill-equipped to service her?
The Med Pod isn't for Vickers, it's for Weyland. He's on the verge of death and may well need it to keep him alive until they can find some Engineers. That's why it's calibrated for a man. Vickers gets the others away from it pronto because, obviously, the male calibration thing would appear strange and might lead to them asking questions, which she doesn't want.
- The emotion Weyland displays towards her is not just coldness or rejection; it is revulsion. He has already insisted on interacting with David instead of with her, and in their one meeting, he pulls his hand away when she tries to caress it with her cheek. It is hard to believe he would be otherwise so courteous toward his daughter, and yet reject her so completely — unless she was not his daughter at all.
Again, he wanted a son. That's why he's indifferent towards Vickers. It in no way suggests she's changed her sex.
- David and Vickers act and look similar to each other. Both are slender, blonde, stoic and soft spoken figures. It has been theorized that David is what Vickers once looked like when she was male.
I have several female friends who look more like their fathers than their mothers. It doesn't make them transgender.
For me, none of that even begins to imply she's transgender.--
LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 15:29, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
Leigh Burne,
Just because you have never heard of this theory, does not mean that it does not carry merit. In fact, you come across as very transphobic.
The possibility of Vickers being transgendered is discussed thorougly here:
http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/19552
Now, to counter your ignorant points:
"Vickers is upset because she's his daughter, whereas clearly all Weyland wanted was a son to carry on his name. It in no way suggests she's changed her sex."
- Did you forget what year it is in the movie? Let me remind you: it is 2093. There are androids and spaceships. If Weyland wanted a son so badly, he could have used genetic engineering to create one.
The reality is Weyland DID have a son, but he chose to become a woman. That is why he hates her so much. Vickers went against her original design. It parallels how the Engineers feel about humans.
"The Med Pod isn't for Vickers, it's for Weyland. He's on the verge of death and may well need it to keep him alive until they can find some Engineers. That's why it's calibrated for a man. Vickers gets the others away from it pronto because, obviously, the male calibration thing would appear strange and might lead to them asking questions, which she doesn't want."
- Why keep the MedPod in Vickers personal room then? Do you remember when Weyland woke up? He had his own quarters on the ship.
"Again, he wanted a son. That's why he's indifferent towards Vickers. It in no way suggests she's changed her sex."
- Again, let me point out to you that the movie is set during 2093. If Weyland wanted a son, he could have easily created one with genetic engineering.
Also, it is evident that he is not sexist since he made Shaw the commander of the mission.
"I have several female friends who look more like their fathers than their mothers. It doesn't make them transgender."
- Your comment is extremely transphobic.
In conclusion, this theory has more weight than the one where people believe that she is an android. Yet the possibility of Vickers being transgendered is ignored and erased from this wiki because you, Leigh Burne, are transphobic. Your friends and co-workers should be informed of your homophobic and transphobic views.--Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.240.200.10 (talk) - Please sign your messages with ~~~~
- "Just because you have never heard of this theory, does not mean that it does not carry merit."
- No, but the lack of supporting evidence does.
- "Did you forget what year it is in the movie? Let me remind you: it is 2093. There are androids and spaceships. If Weyland wanted a son so badly, he could have used genetic engineering to create one."
- Based on... what? When is genetic engineering ever used at any other point by mankind in the film? Let alone the kind of spectacularly complicated engineering that would be required to "build" a human male. Putting a robot together is utterly different from engineering life. Not to mention the ethical ramifications of genetic engineering — cloning and genetic modification of human life is all illegal now, so why should we expect it to be legal in the future? The film never suggests that this has changed, nor does it suggest that mankind, even in the future year depicted, has the capability to alter human life in such a way. More to the point, the Alien films, set many, many years later, also never suggest mankind possesses that kind of technology or expertise even then. So your statement that Weyland could have created himself a son is completely unfounded given the evidence.
- "Why keep the MedPod in Vickers personal room then?"
- Why not put it in the med bay where everyone can use it? Who knows? That is simply where the writers elected to put it. As others have said in that forum, it needed to be somewhere Shaw could find it so that she could use it to save her life later. It's simply sloppy writing.
- More to the point, why would it be programmed only for males anyway? Why is that even an issue? Doctors don't need to study separate degrees to perform the kind of emergency surgery that would be expected on a trip like this on men and women. Biologically, until you get down to reproduction, people are essentially people underneath, regardless of sex (or whether they're transgender). The only time sex becomes an issue is when dealing with reproductive surgery, and why would that ever be needed on a scientific expedition? It makes no sense for an automated medical pod to be able to operate on men but not women (not to mention it successfully performs an emergency caesarian on Shaw, so clearly it doesn't matter anyway).
- "Also, it is evident that he is not sexist since he made Shaw the commander of the mission."
- The film also makes it equally clear he doesn't give a shit about Shaw or her mission. Weyland is there to save Weyland, period. Shaw and her pals are simply a cover for him meeting an Engineer and extending his life. The film makes it pretty clear he's a bit of an asshole.
- "Your comment is extremely transphobic."
- How is what I said in any way transphobic? Frankly your suggestion that I am is deeply insulting. I simply pointed out that Vickers looking like and acting similarly to her father in no way suggests she must have changed her sex from male to female. Some daughters are visually and emotionally more similar to their fathers than their mothers, some aren't. That is literally no grounds to suggest the ones that are must have been through sexual realignment surgery. We need vastly more evidence than "she looks a bit like her dad".
- I fail to see how stating any of that makes me transphobic. I can assure you I am not. If my comments led you to that conclusion then I apologise and can assure you it not my intention. But I fail to see how arguing that the evidence doesn't offer sufficient support for the concept makes me anti-transgender people. And having just read through the forum you linked to, I still stand by my assertion that the evidence simply doesn't convincingly back up what you're suggesting.-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 14:29, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
Leigh Burne,
I never said that Vickers looked like her father. Are you not able to comprehend written English? I said that she looks similar to David. Even Ridley Scott has stated that Vickers and David look similar to each other because they share the same "DNA".
Keep the page as is with the your grammar mistakes. I am done talking with someone who is as clearly as transphobic as you.--Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.240.200.10 (talk) - Please sign your messages with ~~~~
- "I never said that Vickers looked like her father. Are you not able to comprehend written English? I said that she looks similar to David. Even Ridley Scott has stated that Vickers and David look similar to each other because they share the same "DNA"."
- You're right, you did, my mistake.
- But that doesn't make the point any more valid. Just as with fathers and daughters, plenty of brothers and sisters look incredibly similar and share the same DNA (in fact, again, I know of two who are the spitting image of each other, I went to school with them both). It doesn't mean one or other of them has had a sex change. Not to mention plenty of people who have had sexual realignment still look dissimilar to their siblings. Your argument is completely baseless.
- "Keep the page as is with the your grammar mistakes. I am done talking with someone who is as clearly as transphobic as you."
- That's that sorted then. Bye.-- LEIGH BURNE(Talk) 08:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)