Could the Crusher be a juvenile King?
Probably, but we never know until the game is released/Gearbox revealed what it is actually.TheXenomorph1 (talk) (Contribs) 01:12, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
"The Crusher is proof having a crest doesn't automatically make a Xenomorph Praetorian."
how so might I ask? ~~AlanMorshu~~
kings are non-canon, part of the expanded universe, no one knows what the crusher is yet but it will be revealed in aliens colonial marines and while some have said it might be a canon sequel to the aliens film, i doubt it due to continuity errors. mr scryer.86.179.18.124 17:59, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
@mrscryer:Its not the expanded universe, all the material in the books comics and games are used as source material for Alien Res, AvP, and AvP-R. Besides this two other things shots down your argument that the other mediums are noncanon.
- 1)The special 9th disc for Aliens Quadrilogy talks about the comics, it says they were recently updated to stay in continuity.
- 2)The Aliens Anthology blu-ray 2nd special features disc states in the Aliens Legacy feature that the comics, novels, games, and movies, are all apart of the same legacy, they went out of there way to exclude merchandise from the legacy like for example the Aliens hive wars toys.
WAVE (talk) (Contribs) 21:17, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
still non-canon, it may use the films as a source but the alien franchise doesn't use comics, games or novels as a source, its expanded universe, sharing the same legacy doesn't mean canon either, its part of fox, who owns the alien and predator franchise rights and they licenced and gave permission to writers to make their own stories about the creatures no matter how wacky and unreal, but it has nothing to do with the official main and true storyline that is alien, aliens, alien 3 and sadly alien resurrection (and the same for the predator franchise obviously). in your belief (which i will never share) that all comics and novels etc are canon, then that must mean that terminators, superheroes etc must exist in the xenoverse then, fact is, it doesn't as it would be completely insane. Its just writers and artists having fun with the franchise to entertain people. the movies are the established canon storyline. end of story and full stop.
now moving on to back to the topic which is the crusher and not canon status, i have heard theories about it some possible and others insane but i won't share yet until i have seen others put their opinions down first asi have something to agree or disagree to along with adding my own opinions and to ensure the subject stays about the crusher with no more straying. Mr. Scryer. 86.179.18.124 02:14, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Its canon, the movies do use them (comics, books, movies,) as source material. Non-canon material is not used as source material. It is not a belief that it is canon,it is a fact that the games, books, comics, and movies are canon. You can not dictate what is and isn't canon because it already has been clearly specified what is and isn't canon. Like I said your argument is shot down by the fact that even Aliens Quadrilogy and Aliens Legacy state them as canon. I am getting tired of explaining it to you the only things you wrote above regarding canon is self made contradictions. Heck if I were the creator himself for the aliens franchies and I told you what was approved and written into the stories you would deny it. WAVE (talk) (Contribs) 06:02, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
what part of "stay on topic" don't you understand? you must clearly enjoy arguing to keep bringing the canon subject up everytime i say my opinions and no where in the quadrilogy as far as i can remember anyway that someone said that all material is canon and is a part of the main official storyline. Yes, its part of the franchise but not the main film continuity and story, and its a good job you are not the creator. Fox holds the rights and they give permission to writers/artists and game developers to create the stories, it doesn't make its canon, no one can publish alien or predator stories legally without fox approval and licence. Now for the last time, stay on topic, any replies that has nothing to do with the crusher or the games its in should and might get deleted on the grounds of straying from the subject, this is a wiki after all. Mr.Scryer. (talk) (Contribs) 12:10, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
what is canon and what is non canon, when some one publishes and idea they are trying to spark imagination right? canon is just an opinion, H.R.Giger created these creatures, in his opinion there are only three life stages stage 1 facehugger, stage 2 chestburster and stage 3 adult. this leaves alot of room for fans and other artists to play with the idea because all other variants of " the alien" shown in the films and games are just part of the stage 3 phase of a xenomorphs life.
- also in a design point of veiw, these creatures are supposed to be at the peek of evolution right? They are supposed to be able to adapt to what ever challenge faces them, whether it be enviroment or anthoer species. So why is it so many people have to right off these such varients. I'm sure the "hive mind" had a reson for the crusher as well as any other xeno i.e. after the explosion of the teraforming station, there would be alot of ruble and debree lying about, so it would make sense that a alien adapted to fit the "bulldoser" role. just rember xenos don't need technology, as they can solve evry problem with their biology.*
At the end of the day does it really matter if there isnt a direct continuity, the films, games, literature are fun and entertaining, cant we just be satisfied with that???
- I didn't have time to sign in for this comment my name is j.deexeno if any one would like to discuss this anymore your welcome to post on my talk page*
i respect your opinions j.d and you're right in some of them, xenos are described as perfect organisms but as i said above, no more talk of canon status, as it has the potential to spark arguments and is off topic but i will add that aliens don't just adapt, they have to come from a host that is already adapted to a certain enviroment but they can learn very fast but so far seen cannot change their form to suit it, i personally consider the movies to be the main contuinity and since in aliens there was no crusher and the complex was destroyed Completely, A:CM is clearly got some errors but in the end you're right, as long as its fun we can suspend our logic and questioning, some however like to think its all one big contuinity which does not make sense. now lets get back on topic and hopefully it will stay on it this time.
The crusher has beed said to have a number of origins, some say a large animal that was at the colony and others (very small) think its radiation mutationwhich is very far fetched, i was on some forums and someone said that it may have come from a rhino or other large creature, the crusher charges and is near invunerable to gun fire, so it has a very tough hide. Mr. Scryer 86.147.157.220 17:09, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
@j.deexeno: I agree with you on just about everything you have written, however I do not think that any animals came with those people on Lv426, it was never listed in the Colonial Marines source book, that is just a guess though.
- @j.deexeno: As for the canon issue, it is important to address this because Fox HAS allowed all the different mediums to be canon, some people are trying to fight this for whatever reason, if we ignore what is canon than there is no point to having this wiki, this wiki is meant to provide canon information only for the Aliens Predator Saga, only when something has no back story should its information be debated.
- For your enjoyment I will present the facts made by fox on the canon of the alien predator series.
- 1:Aliens Quadrilogy 9th disc states that the Aliens comic series was updated to stay in continuity.
- 2:Aliens Anthology 2nd special features disc has a program called Alien Legacy. In it it is stated that all the comics, games, books, and movies are in the same Saga. Now for those of you that do not know what a saga is it is this.
- sa·ga/ˈsägə/
Noun: A long story of heroic achievement. A long, involved story, account, or series of incidents. Informal a series of events or a story stretching over a long period
- If this weren't enough Gearbox (The designers of Aliens Colonial Marines) had this to say when asked about canon in the Alien Predator universe.
- Fox is a little more flexible with the canon than other companies out there, but they do have to be careful not to annoy directors – if you put together a proposition that assumes a particular film never happened, the director isn’t going to like that very much and Fox may have plans to work with them again in the future.
We’re able to introduce our own elements that we feel are right for the interactive space, whether that’s weapons or new types of aliens, and we’re aware that in doing so we’re adding to the existing canon. http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2011/08/25/gearbox-on-creating-a-canon-with-aliens-colonial-marines/
- @Mr. Scryer: Its very unlikely that radiation mutated any of the aliens mainly because they all have immense protection against alpha beta gamma and x-ray radiation. The only radiations that have harmed them really is Photon and Neutron, as was shown in Alien, Aliens Female Wars, Aliens vs Predator Gold, Aliens vs Predator Omibus 1, Aliens vs Predator War, AvP-R, Aliens vs Predator Extinction, Aliens omibus 1, Aliens Colonial Marines.
- @Mr. I will correct incorrect information, the first thing you say just about is that "such and such is non-canon" you keep labeling things that are canon as non-canon I will stop you from doing so, or at least show you and other people why what your doing is incorrect. Your threat that my comment will be deleted is false, for one its against code of conduct to erase public records, 2 we have no mods here.
WAVE (talk) (Contribs) 01:25, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
i never said i would be the one to delete it.
of course the radiation is unlikely, as i said, its too far-fetched so that origin won't work, radiation causes among other things, cancer and not mutation into a larger creature Mr.Scryer. (talk) (Contribs) 01:29, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
- @Mr.Scryer. I am surprised that Neutron radiation works on them at all. Just one pulse makes them drop dead.
WAVE (talk) (Contribs) 04:24, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
Xenomorph prime is not the home planet[]
This particular Xenomorph has only been seen on LV-426, and that attributes that make it unique are stored in the bio-imperative database. --WAVE (talk) (Contribs) 20:54, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Theories[]
I have 3 theorys one the crusher is from a bull that the colonists used 4 food 2 it is a alternate praetorion molt or warrior molt or a runner that has molted to praetorion witch one makes sences we can not confirm any othese till the game99.139.74.241 20:12, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
also take note that my theory anout the runner molting to praetorion can be canon because in aliens infestation the grilla aliens had a praetorion type 99.139.74.241 20:45, November 10, 2012 (UTC)praetrorion master97.
You should just create an account, it would be easier than having to type your name all the time, also if you wish it, you can create a blog about your theories. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 20:55, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
With so little information on the game at this time its still early, so we will have to wait and see but if I had to guess on what the Cursher is, I would say its a unique boss a one of a kind so to speak. Wrath425 (talk) (Contribs) 04:07, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
You can literally see a bull trait when the Crusher paws the ground before charging. Dantanius 03:31, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
MP Crusher[]
Can someone fix the requirements for the MP Crusher? I need an accurate explanation.
68.228.210.214 07:59, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
From what I read, you have to earn it through points and then go back to the hive and evolve, the other evolve choice is the boiler. The Cruentus (talk) (Contribs) 13:26, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
I wasn't clear:
How does it happen?
How many points?
These questions I need answered. I don't know where this Hive structure is or how many points are aquired. Sometimes I see these things as early as several minutes into the game.
68.228.210.214 00:03, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
Is the Crusher possibly a Praetorian Runner?[]
Is the Crusher just an evolved Runner like a praetorian or queen? Deathblade 100 (talk) (Contribs) 05:52, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Unknown.--Toa Quarax (Talk) (Contribs) 13:12, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. Deathblade 100 (talk) (Contribs) 02
- 25, August 10, 2014 (UTC)