Talk: Alien III (Eric Red)

The Epics that too Ahead-of-Time

I managed to translate both William Gibson's script and Eric Red's script into Chinese (hardwork, took me two weeks, without proper eating and sleeping), and shared them among Chinese Alien fans. They all admitted these two scripts were way superior than actual Alien 3 movie. Some of the Chinese fans even considered Eric Red's script was better than William Gibson's script, especially aliens' ability of assimilate other substances on molecular level really fascinated them. They said these two un-filmed scripts, especially Eric Red's, were too good to be handled by 20 Century Fox, because Fox was not ready for them when they came out.--General Wild Dog ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 12:12, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

No way, Red's script is awful! It's complete trash, and he has admitted as much himself. Gibson's first script is OK, but his second draft is far superior.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 12:22, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

That's my point, only very few people are good enough to enjoy the welfare brought by Eric Red's grand script. Too bad Eric himself was not brave enough to stand up against those who "even incapable of writing a simplest screenplay during their entire lifespan", just like Galileo Galilei surrendered to torture from consistory court centuries ago. Good things are always being bad-mouthed, because they're too good. However actual Alien 3 movie is never good enough to the Alien title, although I respect David Fincher and Vincent Ward's hardwork on it, but Fox really need to hire Ridley Scott or James Cameron as the director, plus William Gibson's or Eric Red's script to produce Alien 3.--General Wild Dog ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 13:03, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

I'm just genuinely surprised anyone would think Red's script is quality. It's poorly written, derivative, immature, gratuitous, full of plot holes, and over-the-top to the point of ridiculousness. And most of the dialogue in Red's script is outright cringe-worthy. His screenplay reads like an eight year-old's vision of an Alien movie, just excessive to the point of being banal. Of course, as you say, how much of that is down to Red personally we do not know. But I'm literally stunned you'd label this script "too good". Of course, you're entitled to that opinion, but it's staggering.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 14:22, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Alien itself is full of plot holes. To say the least, if Weyland-Yutani wants a xenomorph specimen, just send a covert squadron with a specialized containment ship to retrieve it instead of a crew with an expensive commercial towing vessel. But what's the big deal? If we think we're smarter than script writers, where are our own handmade Alien movie scripts to prove ourselves?

Everyone is free to badmouth Eric Red, they have the rights of being jealous that Eric had completed writing a full script, meanwhile those bad-mouthers never be able to write a single sentence before running out of their lifespan. They even had become so forgetful and forgot their parents once taught them to respect others' works when they're three-years-old.--General Wild Dog ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 16:05, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

That isn't a plot hole in Alien at all. The company sends the Nostromo because a) they aren't 100% sure there's anything there, and b) it's a lot cheaper and there's far less red tape if you just surreptitiously divert a commercial ship rather than go to the trouble of organising a proper, official investigation. That's entirely believable given how shady the company is.

As for Red's script, if the writer himself has gone on record saying it's is trash, I don't see any disrespect in agreeing with him.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 08:37, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

A shady interstellar mega-corporation that does not have a group of shady and specialized operatives for a mission that vital and risky, no wonder they lost 42 million of adjusted dollars (minus payload), this is counted as the lamest embarrassment among all mega-corporations throughout human fictions. But what's the big deal? Script writer has the privilege to fabricate anything he/she wants, those dissidents are too lazy and/or inferior to write their own scripts before they expire.

Eric was too superior than public, to make public not to feel too inferior to themselves, he just chose to pretend. He sympathized the lazy and inferior public so if they said his work was bad, he said it was bad too. They were too low grade to appreciate something superior and too lazy to do some actual contributions to Xenomorph, the only thing they capable of was badmouth those who were good enough to do something like Eric. Therefore those low-life had his sympathy and comprehension, couldn't force everyone to be superior and contributing like Eric himself.

Trash-like people see other things like trash, treasure-like people see other things like treasure. God says.

--General Wild Dog ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 15:59, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Who says Weyland-Yutani doesn't have a team for stuff like that? You completely ignored where I explained they send the Nostromo BECAUSE IT'S A LOT CHEAPER AND THERE'S FAR LESS RED TAPE. Doing it unofficially = more profit and less hassle. Besides, who said the company as whole was even involved? It could just have been one executive acting on their own initiative, like Burke in Aliens, hoping to further themselves financially and professionally from the find. And of course the failure of the operation was embarrassing, that's one of the reasons it was covered up (along with the fact it was probably illegal). Literally nothing about that scenario is a stretch.

As for everything else you said, now I know you're trolling.-- LEIGH BURNE^(Talk) 09:06, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

Then you ignored the fact a special covert team with proper equipment is even cheaper and stealthier, higher rate of success. Trolling or not, you started it and fell for it. Replying as "I have different ideas, it's not that good for example...but it still has merits such as..." instead of "trash", "awful" could avoid starting troll but initiate a friendly debate. I never troll on David Fincher and Vincent Ward like the public trolled on Eric. I'm just a random Chinese Alien solid-core fan who stand up to defend Eric's rightful credits, and I don't need to do so if public simply said "thank you for your contribution Eric, however we don't think it's usable".

As for everything else I heard, I know I had hurt many fragile hearts by speaking truth. Therefore I apologize for the inconvenience.--General Wild Dog ^{(talk) (Contribs)} 14:06, January 23, 2015 (UTC)